When is it OK to say, "It's Not OK"

[NyarukoW]

... evidence of hypocrisy:
Funny, you seem to want go to all the clear sellers and shut them up, claiming they're on PF 24/7, etc.
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I actually never ever demanded that they shut up. So there is no hypocrisy there. I don't have to like their advertising, and I will definitely call them out on these forums when they are insulting everyone else, but free speech rights apply to them as well. And just because you can't find evidence of their connection to RMT, does NOT mean it does not exist. And if you can NOT imagine it, that just means like the tunnel vision and the limited scope you choose to see.

[Ghishlain]

And just because you can't find evidence of their connection to RMT, does NOT mean it does not exist. And if you can NOT imagine it, that just means like the tunnel vision and the limited scope you choose to see.

*COUGHS*

While I won't disagree that there probably is one or two FCs might be doing it with RMTs

Clearly, I have limited scope and tunnel vision since you are ONCE AGAIN generalizing someone else, as you are wont to do.

Emphasis BTW:

And if you can NOT imagine it, that just means like the tunnel vision and the limited scope you choose to see.

I suggest you look in a mirror.

I actually never ever demanded that they shut up. So there is no hypocrisy there.

No, you would just like to see them ALL BURN in a fire.

...yes, I can broadly generalize too! =D

BTW, as someone rightfully pointed out in a different post.

Just ignore. Seriously, stop caring about what one guy the majority of people disagree with says in response to you. Not having the last word isn't equivalent to conceding.

It has been a pleasure, dear Ms. NayarukoW, but my time for fun is now at an end.

It was a pleasure, I shall see you in the next thread for some more inane banter!

[Tiggy]

And just because you can't find evidence of their connection to RMT, does NOT mean it does not exist. And if you can NOT imagine it, that just means like the tunnel vision and the limited scope you choose to see.

Absence of evidence is not evidence to the contrary. That's the "Arguement from Ignorance" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumen...ce_of_evidence

[Eight]

It can certainly be frustrating at times. I'm someone who is just starting on SCOB myself and some of the people have lately been downright rotten. Any party that I've been in, in the past few weeks have been started by me as I felt that it was the only way to avoid this. I create a party usually with a friend or two and clearly make sure in my description that everything is noted that it is a learning party but some of the people ugh.

I can only speak for myself but on my server but the population seems to be really hurting right now and finding parties for so much of the content is awful and sometimes can be non existent, even hunts for most of the day are dead. This leads to experienced players who want to do this content joining our learning parties and throwing tantrums making the whole thing fun for no one and there is nothing worse then making good progress only to have someone rage quit and completely ruin the momentum the party had.

This has been the typical cycle for this game though and it will continue. The lockouts create a huge gap and will continue to do so. Sadly when there are parties a good majority of the time the people are pretty damn ignorant so why bother. I've been working on putting together a static and we are 5/8 so hopefully soon we can get in there without worrying about this kind of stuff.

[NyarukoW]

...No, you would just like to see them ALL BURN in a fire.

The thought sounds fun for a second, but then not really. They are still people and it is still a game. Perhaps if Titan would keep their characters gaol-ed for 24 hours for every offense.

Absence of evidence is not evidence to the contrary. That's the "Arguement from Ignorance" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumen...ce_of_evidence

Agreed. Exacatly, so it is pleading ignorance of the possible connection between RMT and clear sellers. Just like cigarette companies pleaded for the longest time that they had NO evidence of smoking and addiction.

[Tiggy]

Exacatly, so it is pleading ignorance of the possible connection between RMT and clear sellers. Just like cigarette companies pleaded for the longest time that they had NO evidence of smoking and addiction.

It doesn't prove anything except that you like conspiracies. Seems like a good example of a Furtive Fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furtive_fallacy

[BatHead]

everyone would just join the 'hardcore' queue and eventually casuals will join hardcore queue too

I wouldn't, not ever.

[NyarukoW]

It doesn't prove anything except that you like conspiracies.

You don't need conspiracy. The desire to turn gil in real dollars is only natural. Human nature at work here. If you generate a lot of gil from clear sells, why would there be no temptation?

[Tiggy]

You don't need conspiracy. The desire to turn gil in real dollars is only natural. Human nature at work here. If you generate a lot of gil from clear sells, why would there be no temptation?

The conspiracy is assuming that it must be happening regardless of the absence of evidence. The justification for thinking it's possible is certainly true since humans are fairly selfish creatures, but the fact remains you don't know that a single RMT or Clear seller does this for sure. Not one. Sure, someone out there may be doing it, but the fact you go on and on about it like it must be happening even without a shred of evidence is why I say you seem to like conspiracies.

You don't know it's happening. You've never seen it happen. Continuing to bring it up doesn't prove anything or help your argument at all. Nor does it change a single thing about players helping or not helping in T5 and beyond and the level of patience they have for new players. It's completely 100% off topic. It's a distraction from even your own argument, and from the OPs original meaning for this thread. If you really want to talk about these things then go start a new thread and write a big wall of text rant there. If people want to engage in this conversation they will choose to do so.

[NyarukoW]

... It's completely 100% off topic. It's a distraction from even your own argument, and from the OPs original meaning for this thread.....

You have a clear seller devil's advocate to thank for derailing this. See this is where is started:

Selling runs....

BTW the clear sellers are not 100% unrelated. They are just a tiny but clear visible piece of a large iceberg. The fact remains that I see learning PF go unfilled for extended time while clear sellers on the PF at the same time, along with gil seller tell spams and friend requests. There is more than just coincidence going on here.