When is it OK to say, "It's Not OK"

[Ghishlain]

The RMT and clear sellers are probably in cahoots, but of course if they are smart they will have some sort of gil laundering scheme so they do NOT get their important accounts banned, and it makes it all the harder to any of us to really make the proof stick.

I think this just kinda solidifies the mounting and damning evidence of...silliness, that follows you. While I won't disagree that there probably is one or two FCs might be doing it with RMTs, cutting a bloody swathe and accusing all clear sellers of illegal RMT activity in the game is quite impressive.

...that seems quite on par for course for you, honestly.

And if you want further evidence of hypocrisy:

I do NOT go up to tell them to shut up even if I don't agree with them all the time.

Funny, you seem to want go to all the clear sellers and shut them up, claiming they're on PF 24/7, etc.

...and yes, I am intentionally taking that one statement completely outta context. Annoying, isn't it? ~.^

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Again, sorry for massive derail OP/

[NyarukoW]

... evidence of hypocrisy:
Funny, you seem to want go to all the clear sellers and shut them up, claiming they're on PF 24/7, etc.
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I actually never ever demanded that they shut up. So there is no hypocrisy there. I don't have to like their advertising, and I will definitely call them out on these forums when they are insulting everyone else, but free speech rights apply to them as well. And just because you can't find evidence of their connection to RMT, does NOT mean it does not exist. And if you can NOT imagine it, that just means like the tunnel vision and the limited scope you choose to see.

[Ghishlain]

And just because you can't find evidence of their connection to RMT, does NOT mean it does not exist. And if you can NOT imagine it, that just means like the tunnel vision and the limited scope you choose to see.

*COUGHS*

While I won't disagree that there probably is one or two FCs might be doing it with RMTs

Clearly, I have limited scope and tunnel vision since you are ONCE AGAIN generalizing someone else, as you are wont to do.

Emphasis BTW:

And if you can NOT imagine it, that just means like the tunnel vision and the limited scope you choose to see.

I suggest you look in a mirror.

I actually never ever demanded that they shut up. So there is no hypocrisy there.

No, you would just like to see them ALL BURN in a fire.

...yes, I can broadly generalize too! =D

BTW, as someone rightfully pointed out in a different post.

Just ignore. Seriously, stop caring about what one guy the majority of people disagree with says in response to you. Not having the last word isn't equivalent to conceding.

It has been a pleasure, dear Ms. NayarukoW, but my time for fun is now at an end.

It was a pleasure, I shall see you in the next thread for some more inane banter!

[NyarukoW]

...No, you would just like to see them ALL BURN in a fire.

The thought sounds fun for a second, but then not really. They are still people and it is still a game. Perhaps if Titan would keep their characters gaol-ed for 24 hours for every offense.

Absence of evidence is not evidence to the contrary. That's the "Arguement from Ignorance" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumen...ce_of_evidence

Agreed. Exacatly, so it is pleading ignorance of the possible connection between RMT and clear sellers. Just like cigarette companies pleaded for the longest time that they had NO evidence of smoking and addiction.

[Tiggy]

Exacatly, so it is pleading ignorance of the possible connection between RMT and clear sellers. Just like cigarette companies pleaded for the longest time that they had NO evidence of smoking and addiction.

It doesn't prove anything except that you like conspiracies. Seems like a good example of a Furtive Fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furtive_fallacy

[NyarukoW]

It doesn't prove anything except that you like conspiracies.

You don't need conspiracy. The desire to turn gil in real dollars is only natural. Human nature at work here. If you generate a lot of gil from clear sells, why would there be no temptation?

[Tiggy]

You don't need conspiracy. The desire to turn gil in real dollars is only natural. Human nature at work here. If you generate a lot of gil from clear sells, why would there be no temptation?

The conspiracy is assuming that it must be happening regardless of the absence of evidence. The justification for thinking it's possible is certainly true since humans are fairly selfish creatures, but the fact remains you don't know that a single RMT or Clear seller does this for sure. Not one. Sure, someone out there may be doing it, but the fact you go on and on about it like it must be happening even without a shred of evidence is why I say you seem to like conspiracies.

You don't know it's happening. You've never seen it happen. Continuing to bring it up doesn't prove anything or help your argument at all. Nor does it change a single thing about players helping or not helping in T5 and beyond and the level of patience they have for new players. It's completely 100% off topic. It's a distraction from even your own argument, and from the OPs original meaning for this thread. If you really want to talk about these things then go start a new thread and write a big wall of text rant there. If people want to engage in this conversation they will choose to do so.