When is it OK to say, "It's Not OK"

[Kazumac]

And you felt compelled to defend their so-called honor, why?

They are not terrible until they start insulting everyone else on the forums with terms like "lazy", "no iniative", "don't listen", "won't learn", "spoon fed", etc. etc. The vast majority of the player base just want the opportunity to learn and progress, and preferably without drama, even if it takes more than 50 wipes and lots of waiting and learning. If they are limited in the there ability and time, surely can do stick to doing nothing, and not go out of their way to do less than nothing. Yet you seem here making all sorts of false accusations.

Uh oh we were having a relatively civil discussion on how to approach advice giving etc... NyarukoW is here, time to get the popcorn! I bet they'll try to bring clear sellers into the discussion soon!

Edit: lol I hadn't read page 14 when I posted this... Yup this thread is now about clear sellers...

[Ophie-Mio]

There is no conspiracy theory required. Fact is both clear sellers and RMT sellers are spamming you more than often enough to fill up your blacklist.

You said that they were in cahoots. If you're saying that they are based on how much they spam you, then FCs are in cahoots too. All of these things fill up my chat window and my blacklist.

Buy clears is not enjoying the game, it is bypassing it. Enjoying the game means enjoying wiping with friends, learning to solve the puzzle together, building friendships, etc. etc.

Once again, you're telling people how to enjoy their time and their game. Seems a bit preachy to me.

And that high horse? I do NOT what you are talking about. I don't ride horses, and we have the right to protest clear sellers for their unethical and unhelpful behavior. If they got the time to sit on the PF and sell clears, they got time to go help a learning party.

No, once again, preachy. You have the right to protest it but we have the right to tell you to get off the soap box too. And seriously, selling clears helps the people who want to buy them. They're willing and people who wanna sell it are willing. Win/Win. If you don't wanna buy your run, don't buy one. It's that simple. No need for all this preaching.

[Kazumac]

Buy clears is not enjoying the game, it is bypassing it. Enjoying the game means enjoying wiping with friends, learning to solve the puzzle together, building friendships, etc. etc.

I think we can all agree NyarukoW knows what's best for all of us and what we enjoy and desire in a game. Can you tell me more on how to live my life oh psychic one? What if I just want to craft all by my lonesome? Have I missed the point if the game despite it bringing me great joy to fill the marketplace full of goods with my name on it? Should I tell my FC member who loves taking in the scenery and fishing that he's not enjoying the game... Others having a high horse... Look in the mirror.

(Shoot I'm feeding the troll! But it's so fun watching them eat! Lol)

[NyarukoW]

...What if I just want to craft all by my lonesome? ..

No one said you can't do what you want when you are not hurting others. Go craft if it floats your boat.

... Seems a bit preachy to me. .. No need for all this preaching. ....

So what? No one tells you to listen to that preacher on campus who is always there at lunch time either. I like that they are putting in an earnest effort to help everyone. I do NOT go up to tell them to shut up even if I don't agree with them all the time.

... we have the right to tell you to get off the soap box too....

If no want to listen the do NOT have to. But obviously something about this simple message for players coming together and playing together helping each other is so threatening that you'd actually want to take away my right of free speech (a.k.a no soap box)? Seriously?

[Kazumac]

No one said you can't do what you want when you are not hurting others. Go craft if it floats your boat.

Assuming I play the game for enjoyment, you did:

Enjoying the game means enjoying wiping with friends, learning to solve the puzzle together, building friendships, etc. etc.

Meaning if I play for enjoyment I must follow your view. And therefore my example of crafting by my lonesome != enjoyment therefore I shouldn't play the game. Well if I follow the NyarukoW way of life anyways... Thankfully I don't so I enjoy this game very much.

[Schizm]

While I am thinking about it, what if SE did a type of coil, say a pre-calamity where everyone at level 50 would be equiped to a standard gear and weapon so everyone would be on par on the job where the event would need a player to be.

No elitest, no undercarries. Maybe tone down some difficulty but the requirement would be....just level 50. (or new level cap).

[Prototype909]

While I am thinking about it, what if SE did a type of coil, say a pre-calamity where everyone at level 50 would be equiped to a standard gear and weapon so everyone would be on par on the job where the event would need a player to be.

No elitest, no undercarries. Maybe tone down some difficulty but the requirement would be....just level 50. (or new level cap).

They could already do this by just removing echo buff and instituting an iLvl cap (Whatever the max was for that content cycle) to scale gear down to the stat caps of that patch. It's do-able.

[Ophie-Mio]

I'm always down with the idea of level syncing. I was telling my group the other day how sad it was that the primal HM fights were being bulldozed the way they were. I would prefer that when the expansion came out that all the previous lvl 50 encounters became leveling dungeons and the older primal fights level capped.

Then again, I'm always complaining about how I wish SE would stop giving us lvl 50 dungeons and give us more leveling dungeons so that people would actually being able to tolerate the grind of leveling a bit better.

[Kinseykinz]

While I am thinking about it, what if SE did a type of coil, say a pre-calamity where everyone at level 50 would be equiped to a standard gear and weapon so everyone would be on par on the job where the event would need a player to be.

No elitest, no undercarries. Maybe tone down some difficulty but the requirement would be....just level 50. (or new level cap).

They could also just do 'storymode' coil. Basically, an easier version of each turn, that either dropped no gear, or lesser items (like tomes/crafting mats etc), but which would allow those who only really wish to clear it to see the story the option to do so. Similar to how there are 'storymode' and 'Extreme' primals. Basically, make:
Storyline Coil = lesser or no drops (potentially w/o lockouts and DFable from the start)
Regular Coil= current version and drops we have now (w/ lockouts)
Brutal Coil= hardest challenge in game.

I think this would satisfy *most* needs w/o creating more drama. Sure, you'd still have people who'd feel 'left behind' that for whatever reasons couldn't enter/find a group for the Regular Coil content, but since the game offers plenty of 'side-progression' gear and weapon options, overall, this would be the best way to allow the community as a whole to experience the coil storyline without messing around with the actual integrity or challenge of the actual dungeon itself when it comes to learning/farming the Regular/Brutal versions.

[Gardes]

You find like minded people to practice with. I have been on t9 since july (iirc) and have only seen a quarter of the fight...

Since I made the post pertaining my group's progress here, might as well post this here. It turns out I've been in t9 since June, not July. Five months working on t9, of which only about two months was spent actually fighting in t9 by 3 of our original members, and 5 weeks for our newer members. The 'youngest' of them, game experience wise, apparently reached level 50 around august and beat t5 with our help on september (the other 3 have similar time frames). The last was an old member that returned in preparation for 2.4.

Yesterday, at 10:45 PM est (13 nov), we finally crushed t9 on our 2nd attempt of the day (it was almost too smooth). For our newer members it was an unbelievable win but for us 3 who have been there since june and had to work on the roster issue more than actually practicing the fight, it was long overdue.