Could have SE unknowing set FFXIV to fail....

[Alukah]

@Tupsi I know T7 requires a kiter, but that is one DPS out of four, I didn't ask you which class is preferred, I asked you which class is excluded from content, so far the only in danger of being excluded is DRG, but so far people haven't been taking it to the extremes yet, at least in game.

And really? Really? A post made just yesterday by SE and you're already changing what they said to spread misinformation?

"SE even commented on how DRGs will be looked at because the newer coils a lot of FCs are excluding them"

Thanks for the all feedback.

The development team is currently working on making adjustments to enhance dragoon and they are taking all of your feedback into consideration. Once the implementation timing and other such details have been decided I will make a follow-up.

Where in that text do you read they are doing it "because the newer coils a lot of FCs are excluding them"

This is exactly what you do with anything Yoshida says.

As for the XI remark, do you think XI was the only other online game ever? Or the only other online game where people were/are discriminated by their class choice?

Yeah, Diabolos definitely must be exempt from the problems in ARR - must be a pretty nice server to be honest. It was addressed by SE and has become common knowledge in the end-game community that if you play DRG you are expected to swap to one of your other geared jobs.

I don't believe for a second every single party of your server already started excluding dragoons.

[Tupsi]

And really? Really? A post made just yesterday by SE and you're already changing what they said to spread misinformation?

Misinformation? You yourself just ignored what they wrote. This is why I have a good feeling you don't do end-game, because it's become common knowledge FCs are excluding DRGs for the higher coils, especially the final 2. So..what misinformation? You asked and got an answer. You should probably actually do end-game, because the topic they replied in mostly started because people started excluding DRGs, thus making the problem more known. Is it really that hard to grasp?

As for the XI remark, do you think XI was the only other online game ever?

For someone claiming someone else about spreading misinformation, you sure do seem to love twisting people's words. XI is one of the few MMOs that allows you to change your class on the same character which is what makes it more likely to run into certain issues on this subject.

[Vaara]

In FFXI certain jobs were excluded or picked last for content. Puppet-master was objectively worse than all other DPS classes for a good 2-3 years (possibly longer, I stopped playing it at that point). It had nothing to do with bad players at all.

On the other hand, Warrior was objectively worse than Paladin in XIV and it gets fixed within six months, and Dragoon its going to be balanced shortly.

I don't think it has anything to do with the strict trinity system though, just that XIV developers seem to be much more pro-active.

[Alukah]

Misinformation? You yourself just ignored what they wrote.

No, you are not reading what Grekumah wrote, absolutely nothing in that text talks about final coil exclusion.

his is why I have a good feeling you don't do end-game, because it's become common knowledge FCs are excluding DRGs for the higher coils, especially the final 2. So..what misinformation? You asked and got an answer. You should probably actually do end-game, because the topic they replied in mostly started because people started excluding DRGs, thus making the problem more known. Is it really that hard to grasp?

The topic started because people are afraid parties might exclude dragoons, go read the fist post of that thread.

It's not common knowledge, all boils down to YOUR static started excluding dragoons and now you think every single static in every single server is doing the same. Honestly, do you really believe a static will ask a highly skilled and geared dragoon "sorry dude, you have to level up MNK or NIN or get the boot"? DRGs aren't even in that bad of a state atm.

For someone claiming someone else about spreading misinformation, you sure do seem to love twisting people's words. XI is one of the few MMOs that allows you to change your class on the same character which is what makes it more likely to run into certain issues on this subject.

No, you said I didn't play XI so I couldn't say I don't miss being discriminated, I'm telling you XI wasn't the only game with class discrimination.

In FFXI certain jobs were excluded or picked last for content. Puppet-master was objectively worse than all other DPS classes for a good 2-3 years (possibly longer, I stopped playing it at that point). It had nothing to do with bad players at all.

Not according to Tupsi, XI was perfect and absolutely no one was discriminated by class, even tho many XI players in these forums have always said otherwise.

[SpookyGhost]

Honestly, do you really believe a static will ask a highly skilled and geared dragoon "sorry dude, you have to level up MNK or NIN or get the boot"?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2574974

Yes.

[Fayto]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2574974

Yes.

On Balmung, no Dragoon has been excluded yet and is still a pretty popular Job. FCs on Balmung value skilled players more.

[Lux_Rayna]

Misinformation? You yourself just ignored what they wrote. This is why I have a good feeling you don't do end-game, because it's become common knowledge FCs are excluding DRGs for the higher coils, especially the final 2.

Its not common knowledge, just blind speculation by a small % of the playerbase with no basis in reality. The fact is no job is excluded at endgame. I've personally never seen a good DRG be excluded from a group. Maybe a PUG, but a PUG hardly counts. No FC worth its salt excludes jobs. They only care about skills.

[Prototype909]

Its not common knowledge, just blind speculation by a small % of the playerbase with no basis in reality. The fact is no job is excluded at endgame. I've personally never seen a good DRG be excluded from a group. Maybe a PUG, but a PUG hardly counts. No FC worth its salt excludes jobs. They only care about skills.

Meanwhile none of the first clear Final Coil groups used Dragoons, I just all their Dragoon players were just that bad or didn't exist before patch 2.4.

[SarcasmMisser]

Misinformation? You yourself just ignored what they wrote. This is why I have a good feeling you don't do end-game, because it's become common knowledge FCs are excluding DRGs for the higher coils, especially the final 2.

You should stick to topics you are good at like white knighting everything to do with XI. You're very good at jumping in every thread hopelessly indignant that people dare not like your favourite video game ever but not so much at commenting on end game balance. There are DRGs who are likely further in final coil than you, there isn't many because not many people at that level play DRG and in any case its not so much the presence of a DRG that is a real handicap in these groups but when they are there in absence of a monk on t13. The other turns that you may or may not have passed are too much of a joke for it to matter.