Could have SE unknowing set FFXIV to fail....

[Tupsi]

Well, Guild Wars II did the same thing. I actually prefer the trinity, so most of the jobs have the same value because they're needed roles.

And thus never introducing many of the fun FF jobs like Blue Mage, Time Mage, Geomancer, Dancer, Summoner or Mystic Knight.

Indeed, I do not want to see the "YOU MUST PLAY JOB XYZ"

This happens in XIV already. It's even worse in XIV actually because of how limited and strict it is. Either you have a FC that lets you do whatever you want in any content, or you don't actually do end-game.

and mostly everyone else just tell the newbies to level Bard or go home lol

Yeah...that hasn't been true since 2003.

but they are much better than FFXI bazilions spells. Less is more.

You prefer the simplicity, it's not necessarily better. Having more = allowing for flexibility in terms of role. RDM for example could Heal, Debuff, Crowd Control and solo because of it's range of spells and equipment to suit such. In ARR? You won't get anywhere with a Black Mage acting as a healer.

Choice of either being forced to play certain class or be excluded from content? I don't miss having to make that choice.

Guessing you don't actually do end-game or Diabolos is the only server in ARR exempt for this.

I remember this one time when SMN's could go into REX without a tank and win. Then SE fixed it....

You remember a time people were exploiting a glitch, you don't remember a time when flexibility existed - There's a large difference between going in and using Titan as a tank for content and going in and using it because it ignores 99% of the mechanics and damage.

[Alukah]

Guessing you don't actually do end-game or Diabolos is the only server in ARR exempt for this.

Name one job not accepted in end-game content.

[Tupsi]

Name one job not accepted in end-game content.

Since you appear to have forgotten what you wrote, I'll post what I quoted:

Choice of either being forced to play certain class or be excluded from content? I don't miss having to make that choice.

If you actually do end-game, especially without a FC, you will be forced into certain classes for specific reasons: For example T7 lots will expect a SMN or BRD to kite, which is what the beauty of being able to level every class on one character does. And you even admitted you never really played XI, so I don't see how you can say you ever had to make a choice in a game you never played (Protip: no job was excluded, just people bad at x job which is why people didn't want to take the job, for example people said Blue Mage and Corsair were worthless end-game.) Lots of end-game (coil specifically) people go with very specific setups, this is why I said either you don't do end-game or your server is exempt from forcing people into certain classes and excluding others. And as said, not even in XI was that true, no one in any MMORPG wants someone that's bad at their job which makes it look bad, look at XIV and DRG/NIN..NIN is arguably the most OP job utility wise and burst DPS wise..yet you see them dead the majority of the time or seemingly inability to dodge stuff..despite being a 'ninja.'

SE even commented on how DRGs will be looked at because the newer coils a lot of FCs are excluding them because quite frankly MNK and NIN has the better utility. Your usual retort will be: "oh but that's only one example", you asked you received.

I think it's less of DRG being "forced" to switch to any class and more of people crying in a thread over stuff that hasn't even happened yet.

Yeah, Diabolos definitely must be exempt from the problems in ARR - must be a pretty nice server to be honest. It was addressed by SE and has become common knowledge in the end-game community that if you play DRG you are expected to swap to one of your other geared jobs.

[XNihili]

(Protip: no job was excluded, just people bad at x job which is why people didn't want to take the job, for example people said Blue Mage and Corsair were worthless end-game.)

Lol so much. BST was excluded not only from endgame but also XP party. Well except on Pet only LS but that's a cop out from a bad situation.
EDIT : and it's because of the way the job works.

What I'm hearing from some person that just migrate from FFXI, the all mighty RDM that everybody wanted at the time is like totally unwanted from anything now.

[Ghishlain]

(Protip: no job was excluded, just people bad at x job which is why people didn't want to take the job, for example people said Blue Mage and Corsair were worthless end-game.)

My alter ego back in 2008 would like to have a word for you as I was a Galka WHM in the 3X range that seeked a party for EIGHT HOURS in a single day without one. single. bloody. tell. looking for EXP. It eventually came to a point where I just took things into my own hands and used Besiged and Campaign from 3X to 54 so I could join ToAU parties and even then, WHMs were scorned upon in EXP parties during that time frame.

While it was possible to get invites, your chances of getting those invites were directly related to what job you were trying to level at the time. Got a SAM? Enjoy that free ride all the way to the top. NIN? Same deal. BRD or RDM? HELL YES!

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and mostly everyone else just tell the newbies to level Bard or go home lol.

Yeah...that hasn't been true since 2003.

Hate to say it but this is true. With the way XI gearing dynamic has become, it's actually the easiest to become "raid ready" as a support job (with BRD being the most popular choice) and then diversify your jobs from there. Since being raid capable requires you to complete raids for raid gear, it's that vicious cycle that keeps repeating. Most support classes can circumvent the gear check in XI that to a degree as long as they have a solid fundamental understanding of their job and have key pieces of their gear sets that were generally easy to acquire. This is in contrast to DPS slot where it was difficult to break into because your DPS is nothing compared to the DPS of another player who has access to high tier equipment.

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Players were given tools to make soloing, even though difficult, possible.

This is definitely one aspect I miss about XI. The challenge of taking on content not designed to be handled by one individual - was quite the thrill.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Myself alter ego back in 2008 would like to have a word for you as I was a Galka WHM in the 3X range that seeked a party for EIGHT HOURS in a single day without one. single. bloody. tell. looking for EXP. It eventually came to a point where I just took things into my own hands and used Besiged and Campaign from 3X to 54 so I could join ToAU parties and even then, WHMs were scorned upon in EXP parties during that time frame.

While it was possible to get invites, your chances of getting those invites were directly related to what job you were trying to level at the time. Got a SAM? Enjoy that free ride all the way to the top. NIN? Same deal. BRD or RDM? HELL YES!

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Hate to say it but this is true. With the way XI gearing dynamic has become, it's actually the easiest to become "raid ready" as a support job (with BRD being the most popular choice) and then diversify your jobs from there. Since being raid capable requires you to complete raids for raid gear, it's that vicious cycle that keeps repeating. Most support classes can circumvent the gear check in XI that to a degree as long as they have a solid fundamental understanding of their job and have key pieces of their gear sets that were generally easy to acquire. This is in contrast to DPS slot where it was difficult to break into because your DPS is nothing compared to the DPS of another player who has access to high tier equipment.

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This is definitely one aspect I miss about XI. The challenge of taking on content not designed to be handled by one individual - was quite the thrill.

This post is all true. 100% sums up FFXI (a game I loved as well)

[Leigaon]

I'm one of those rare ones who really really enjoyed the support roles. I loved bard very much..but it looks like in this game each job has the ability to break their mold even if it's very minor in some way.

I do feel if they do not want to put in a dedicated support role then they need to boost the support abilities for certain jobs to make them stand out, but you can't make one so powerful that it is a requirement for the fight. Then again if they add a support role job like bard from 11 in there with minor DPS but enough pt boost to be useful..I'll put down my SMN book and my nightlight egi's in a heartbeat.

[Schizm]

This is definitely one aspect I miss about XI. The challenge of taking on content not designed to be handled by one individual - was quite the thrill.

I wish SE would give us a chance to see this game mechanics in FFXI world.

Say like a seasonal event, give us FFXI dunes, level sync it to proper level and see what happens.

The days of running for the zones, healers bail first, tanks last.
If you got mobbed, you were dead. One goblin was a fight, a second would destroy the party.

The only way I can explain it to someone that has played FFXIV and not FFXI, imagine doing primals where you could aggro another primal in the middle of the fight. Like Titan HM? Imagine if two or more titans could just random aggro the party.

I also liked FFXI for trying weird stuff, in the end I was doing SAM/DNC or RDM/SCH. It was even more funny to me when I thought a job/subjob would be awesome and just got beat down. Even at those fails I would laugh at.

[Krr]

We wouldn't have discovered that Dragoons literally can't survive partywide magic attacks in T13+ without including them in our parties.

Jussayin'.

[Ghishlain]

I also liked FFXI for trying weird stuff, in the end I was doing SAM/DNC or RDM/SCH. It was even more funny to me when I thought a job/subjob would be awesome and just got beat down. Even at those fails I would laugh at.

FFXI is really good for that. I only had WHM leveled in it but I tried a whole bunch of off-the-wall things with WHM like /BLU for massive defenseness, /SAM for staff-fun, /PLD just for Fenrir because of that stupid Dispel, /WAR for random Fencer TP bonus while using Dagan + Gambanteinn, I was getting /MNK leveled until they nerfed Counterstance, lol. Ah well. Fun times, fun times.