DRG has been broken for far too long. Fix it SE

[Aana]

Rng affects everyone. For every bind in T8 forcing a delayed HT is a mnk losing gl trapped in conflagration in t5 or loosing gl getting shriek in t7, or a missed cast because blm got targeted by a plume instead of a melee it wouldn't affect. rng quite squarely falls in my 'deal with it' category. It hurts different jobs in different ways at different times but ultimately everyone has to deal with it.

I am all for enhancing utility because drg is obviously lacking in that department. But softening the positionals doesn't do jack squat about it. All that does is dumb down drg to the point it is the EZ mode dps relative to every other job by a wide margin. There would literally be nothing to consider except the basic rotation. That doesn't fix drg because it's challenge to play was never the problem. Add some utility sure, but just removing positionals cuz "it's hard to land HT!" Is silly. That's just sugar covered QQ.

[Sleigh]

Rng affects everyone. For every bind in T8 forcing a delayed HT is a mnk losing gl trapped in conflagration in t5 or loosing gl getting shriek in t7, or a missed cast because blm got targeted by a plume instead of a melee it wouldn't affect. rng quite squarely falls in my 'deal with it' category. It hurts different jobs in different ways at different times but ultimately everyone has to deal with it.

I am all for enhancing utility because drg is obviously lacking in that department. But softening the positionals doesn't do jack squat about it. All that does is dumb down drg to the point it is the EZ mode dps relative to every other job by a wide margin. There would literally be nothing to consider except the basic rotation. That doesn't fix drg because it's challenge to play was never the problem. Add some utility sure, but just removing positionals cuz "it's hard to land HT!" Is silly. That's just sugar covered QQ.

Well RNG does affect everyone but no it is not equally.

There are regular mistakes/mishaps that come from miscalculations or the victim of RNG, like missing a BLM/SMN cast because you had to dodge (sometimes a mistake, sometimes just has to happen), or MNK missing a positional. They can happen a few times a fight, usually not too big a deal in reality. Then there are the catastrophic mistakes/mishaps from miscalculations/RNG, like losing GL3 when you didn't have to, or losing AH3/UI3 accidentally somehow, or going OoM with SMN. These things shouldn't happen unless they're SUPPOSED to happen, like losing GL3 to a phase change. The thing is, DRG missing a positional is closer to this category than the former.

That's the problem. No one is punished so harshly for a regular mistake/situation, even a missed cast from BLM is just a missed cast, go on your way. DRG loses out on the combo/buff, takes a potency loss, and heaven help you if you are in such a mechanic that doesn't let you get to your positional for more than 5s (as we have said multiple times does happen in the new coil ... which you don't seem to care about).

Regardless, this whole positioning thing is part of the problem, not the problem. MDEF (YES this is a thing right now ... we've had our DRG die in every single turn when others would have survived while progressing, and T13 is gonna be especially punishing now that we're working on it with a DRG), lower total DPS, no utility (MNK 20% Mantra, INT debuff Dragon Kick. NIN Goad, ability to let Storm's Path stay up 100% of the time without major tank aggro/DPS loss), they're the issues. The positional thing is just icing on the cake of why they're not ideal.

So DRG's less survivable, less DPS in turns it can play optimally and way less on ones it has to miss positionals, and has no importance to the raid. The overwhelming majority thinks it needs some help. You for some reason deny this with all your first half of T10 experience in all your glory and say we're wrong because we need to L2P. Cool.

[beowulf81]

Well RNG does affect everyone but no it is not equally.There are regular mistakes/mishaps that come from miscalculations or the victim of RNG, like missing a BLM/SMN cast because you had to dodge (sometimes a mistake, sometimes just has to happen), or MNK missing a positional. They can happen a few times a fight, usually not too big a deal in reality. Then there are the catastrophic mistakes/mishaps from miscalculations/RNG, like losing GL3 when you didn't have to, or losing AH3/UI3 accidentally somehow, or going OoM with SMN. These things shouldn't happen unless they're SUPPOSED to happen, like losing GL3 to a phase change. The thing is, DRG missing a positional is closer to this category than the former.

That's the problem. No one is punished so harshly for a regular mistake/situation, even a missed cast from BLM is just a missed cast, go on your way. DRG loses out on the combo/buff, takes a potency loss, and heaven help you if you are in such a mechanic that doesn't let you get to your positional for more than 5s (as we have said multiple times does happen in the new coil ... which you don't seem to care about).

Regardless, this whole positioning thing is part of the problem, not the problem. MDEF (YES this is a thing right now ... we've had our DRG die in every single turn when others would have survived while progressing, and T13 is gonna be especially punishing now that we're working on it with a DRG), lower total DPS, no utility (MNK 20% Mantra, INT debuff Dragon Kick. NIN Goad, ability to let Storm's Path stay up 100% of the time without major tank aggro/DPS loss), they're the issues. The positional thing is just icing on the cake of why they're not ideal.

So DRG's less survivable, less DPS in turns it can play optimally and way less on ones it has to miss positionals, and has no importance to the raid. The overwhelming majority thinks it needs some help. You for some reason deny this with all your first half of T10 experience in all your glory and say we're wrong because we need to L2P. Cool.

This, so much this. Took everything i wanted to say right out of my mouth and said it in a way that actually makes sense. My thanks, good sir.