Coil 5 changes needed

[Fynlar]

T5 really has no business being remotely difficult anymore. But due to the numerous instakill mechanics, it still is, just like fights like Titan EX. Echo and better gear in this fight (again, much like in Titan EX) does virtually no good for this reason, so I don't know why people keep bringing it up as a factor.

[Parodine]

The echo buff helps with the snake phase, the dreadknight phase, beating the conflags, etc. It's worth mentioning because you don't need all 8 people alive to take down Twin anymore. If someone can't master Twister mechanics, it's not an instant wipe for your raid during the dreadknight phase. If someone is bad at divebombs, you all can still take down the snakes (that's not even an instakill really, but if they get thrown into the wall I guess).

Now, if multiple people can't deal with the mechanics, yes, it's useless. But most DFs probably only need 6 solid people now for the win. Maybe less once the gear keeps increasing.

I think people are reluctant for nerfs because once you get past this 'wall', Turn 6 is going to be even harder. Will people immediately start demanding for a nerf with that? If you can't win Turn 5 without a nerf, there's not much hope for Turn 6 in its current state.

[Tiggy]

T5 really has no business being remotely difficult anymore. But due to the numerous instakill mechanics, it still is, just like fights like Titan EX. Echo and better gear in this fight (again, much like in Titan EX) does virtually no good for this reason, so I don't know why people keep bringing it up as a factor.

All that would do is remove an easy stepping stone. T5 has two difficult mechanics that you must get through to win. If you can't do that then you are going to have a tougher time moving forward through the later turns. All nerfing turn 5 would do is move the complaints to T6 instead. Sometimes you need these types of fights in order to help teach players and prepare them for later mechanics and that's what T5 does. There are negatives to making it easy just because it's old.