Coil 5 changes needed

[Remilia_Nightfall]

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There are already plenty of "easier" fights in the game. Namely turns 1-4, all the dungeons, and hard primals. You can't have EVERYTHING made easy, because as you said, there are also people who enjoy more challenging content.

And sorry, it's not bad design at all. There are SOME badly designed fights in the game (namely T7 and Ifrit EX, which actually punish you if you are too good), but T5 is not one of them. Hell, T9 is one of the best tuned fights I've ever experienced in an MMO and the difficulty gap between T8 and T9 is ten times the one from T4 to T5.

[KarstenS]

we feel that the difficulty curve don't skyrocket as much than T5 at the release.

And your felling is wrong.

T1-4 was the warmup and T5 was the ENDBOSS.

T6-8 is the warmup again and T9 is the ENDBOSS.

And again the endboss is a long fight, with many completely different phases and more mechanics, than the turns before.

[Snugglebutt]

The one thing that annoys me more than anything else is people assuming the soldiery bonus popping up in raid or new player present equals people incompetent or unable to do it when fact is that is not always the case at all as a lot of new players and those who have not done it before actually research the fight many times through videos and guides before joining a party for it.

Those who ask for linking achievement or item etc to prove done it does not mean those people who link such can do it. They could quite easily have bought a clear or been carried through it by others and is in no way proof that they can do it themselves. While it is true some new players to that place don't bother reading up on it beforehand and gives those that do a bad name being lumped in with them...people these days have just become dumb about it assuming everyone is bad if they haven't got that achievement or item when nothing could be further from the truth in many cases. I have had to carry and cover for people who have had clears to their names just like I have had to teach others who did not read the guides or watch tutorials and carried some who were new.

On the other hand something else annoys me is people assuming everyone who bought a clear via gil is a bad player etc, the hypocrisy of that stance is evident since at some stage everyone has bought with gil either materials for their crafting or bought gear from NPC's or marketplace to upgrade current items which is exactly the same thing. Paying in game gil to save time and effort which does not in fact indicate they wouldn't now or in future be able to do it themselves.

In fact I have done PF's and DF quite few times where people who claim to have completed raids and EX trials, claim to be 100% experienced and have the achievements and item to link are the ones causing wipes very often in their over confidence and arrogance while the new players who done the research wipe less than them, of course will get new players who never bothered to research fight causing a lot of wipes too but in terms of new players who read guides and watched videos vs experienced players...they wipe around same amount of times or sometimes even less than these elitist players who think they are better than new players just because they have done it before.

For example I mentioned in my FC that the thought had crossed my mind to pay for a quick and easy run of coil so could get an encrypted tomestone and some people said such ignorant things like they would lose respect for me, said things like if did so once it means I would abuse it in future and do it constantly in future (clearly they don't know me if they think that and it's not true a person would always do such in future anymore so than them never gathering materials instead of buying it just because they bought some from marketplace once in the past). Or they said it's P2W and that I would be hated by everyone for doing so...if that's the case maybe I should hate them for ever using the marketplace to buy materials to speed up crafting and save time having to level a gatherer or go out and get the materials themselves? They are hypocrites plain and simple.

Firstly if doing so once would equal losing respect from someone then they are the kind of person that I would not care for their respect given what I said above about how at some stage they have paid gil in game to get something whether to save time or effort and they are being hypocrites in terms of P2W given they have paid gil to 'win' something in terms of upgrading their gear form NPC or market or crafting materials already themselves.

Secondly just because you pay for a quick and easy run in order to save that time and effort one time does not indicate they cannot or will not do it properly in future, as for myself if I did decide in future to buy a single run then I would still want to practice and do the place properly and would not stop attempts to progress though it normally at a later stage.

[Xine]

I find this entire thread lol worthy, simple fact is raiding isn't for everyone. If you don't have the awareness to watch everything around you, don't join a raid. If you don't have the time to bother learning the mechanics of a purely scripted fight, don't join a raid. I find it amusing that people complain about a fight and want it made easier to allow the masses of players who refuse to bother learning the fights so they can progress into yet even harder fights, only to cry about them and beg for another fight to be made easier. Hate me all you want, but I'd rather not see someone pay for all their clears in Coil and claim to know how to clear any turn in the coil simply because they have a bought win. How long did I bang my head against t5? 5 months, you wanna cry over having to actually learn this turn for a single run? Don't make me laugh. I had the mechanics down fine for at least 2-3 months while waiting on the rest of my static to memorize them, and hoping for their connection to not be utter shit. Why did I stick around with them for so long? Because they're my friends and I'm not guna bail on em just to progress. In hindsight I probably should have so I could've helped them with it, but meh, I didn't think of it at the time.

Want t5 made easy? It's already easy, I've helped carry a few people through it and have given step by step instructions for a few groups I've gone in to help. Sorry but I'm not going to help a random group learn the fight from Conflags again, I already had 1 group claim they knew up to Twisters and when I got in there to help em, they didn't even understand Divebombs, let alone Conflags+Fireballs. But as many have already said, if you can't beat t5, don't think for a second you'll have a shot at t6 and beyond, they ARE harder, and for a good reason. I personally enjoy the fights because they test my ability with my job and work my awareness even more.

I have to admit though, that "please allow for 2 groups to DF t5" made me laugh, 16 people scurrying around while dodging twisters? I'd love to see how many people kill each other with their twisters, but in all seriousness, that would make the fight nigh impossible to complete. The fight is just fine for the end boss of the First Coil, take your time and LEARN THE DANCE LIKE THE REST OF US DID.

[StrejdaTom]

Sorry but no. T5 was brought down to the ground already, if someone cant down it now, they just dont deserve to down it.. I spent hella of time before I was able to finish it and I would feel discriminated if it was nerfed even more and I believe I am not the only one.

[Mature]

Rather than 6 divebombs make it 2 , one for each phase.

[Windklinge]

guys. anyone who is not past t5 as of this moment shouldnt bother anymore. why? because once the lvl 60 cap hits everyone will be EVEN on progress once again like it is always with a cap increase.

i also doubt there will be a new raid right at xpac release anyway. nobody is gonna do coil anymore once that happens because its gonna be lvl 50 old content and lvl 60 chars will steamroll it anyway.

so if youre this far behind current progress still yet, dont bother anymore. wait for the xpac to reset progress and then join right away and youll be fine. anything until the xpac currently doesnt matter much anymore. we can all just hope the devs have enough braincells to remove all current lockouts with patch 2.5 otherwise why bother farming gear thatll likely be not finished because of lockouts and RNG before addon release anyway...

[LalaRu]

Even if I am at head of a casual FC my belief on raiding is, that is another level of the game, where the causal player wants to be a better player.

Don't misunderstood "better" with more cool or l33t. Better means a player who wants learn and succeed on manage the mechanics a game poses in front of him. Raiding it is no more a button spamming, it require some thinking, and do right things at right timings, requires knowledge of the game, of the encounter, of the mobs they are in and, of course, of its own played class.

Things as the Echo can help you only on dps checks, and lessen your need of knowledge of your class.

But the mechanics someone have to learn to handle, are the defining of a "raid". A casual that does not want deal with them, does not want to raid. A casual that is not able to deal with them, is not able to raid. Raiding is not for everyone.

Even with my above statements, to me it is fine T5 being easied more, this only because who really wants raid and learn to be a better player, have the option to run the "savage" version with its intended difficulty.

Raiding players are now on FCoB, and will not care Coil1 more than lv.15 Sastasha.

[Tiggy]

Find a group of like minded individuals and friends then be picky about entry conditions. This fight isn't that hard. I literally helped someone last week who beat it on there second time ever entering the dungeon and it wasn't even a carry. It's not that hard.

Even with my above statements, to me it is fine T5 being easied more, this only because who really wants raid and learn to be a better player, have the option to run the "savage" version with its intended difficulty.

There is no savage T5.

[Kuwagami]

There is no savage T5.

there will be if the T6-9 savage have enough success/value. It has been announced like that at least, and quite frankly I was waiting for it in 2.4