SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Abriael]

Well there you go. If your numbers are accurate then yeah 4 hours. But as I explained that's not what my point is. It's what was stated in the letter and what they actually did.

Anyway, thanks for being so respectful and actually giving input instead of going "LOL you are wrong I got 200k last night in 2 hours. Learn to play noob!". The forums need more people like you, cheers!

the not so hidden point in what TheVedis Said and that you conveniently ignored is that it's still very possible to get a LOT more SP than what you used to get in your precious behest. No behest out there used to give 30k/hour (actually, it's entirely possible to skim just under 40k hour with raptors and similar grinding). Hence, your false point has been proven for what it is: False.

If there even was any further need of it, considering that many already posted several verifiable figures way higher than old behest figures, achieved with several activities.

[Kensei]

the not so hidden point in what TheVedis Said and that you conveniently missed is that it's still very possible to get a LOT more SP than what you used to get in your precious behest. No behest out there used to give 30k/hour (actually, it's entirely possible to skim just under 40k hour with raptors and similar grinding). Hence, your false point has been proven for what it is: False.

If there even was any further need of it, considering that many already posted several verifiable figures way higher than old behest figures, with several activities.

TheVedis said ranking up was faster before the patch, meaning it is slower now.

"you dont want people getting the ranks too too easy, and thats what was happening before(and thats not counting the fact at rank 30 you were getting a rank an hour which was even worse)"

Read more carefully next time instead of being so focused on trolling.

[Abriael]

TheVedis said ranking up was too fast before the patch, meaning it is slower now.

TheVedis may not have tried with a good group. Grinding raptors is exactly as fast as before. You may want to try it before throwing wild accusations towards a developer.

Oh, wait. You can't, and you also have no idea how leveling in the second half of the curve was before the patch. How convenient.

Seriously, you should just man up and apologize. Falsely calling someone a liar isn't a nice thing.

[Kensei]

TheVedis may not have tried with a good group. Grinding raptors is exactly as fast as before. You may want to try it before throwing wild accusations towards a developer.

Oh, wait. You can't, and you also have no idea how leveling in the second half of the curve was before the patch. How convenient.

Seriously, you should just man up and apologize. Falsely calling someone a liar isn't a nice thing.

You've been proven wrong by countless people acknowledging it was faster pre-patch. We were lied to regardless of if it was intentional or not. Deal with it.

[Preypacer]

TheVedis may not have tried with a good group. Grinding raptors is exactly as fast as before. You may want to try it before throwing wild accusations towards a developer.

Oh, wait. You can't, and you also have no idea how leveling in the second half of the curve was before the patch. How convenient.

Seriously, you should just man up and apologize. Falsely calling someone a liar isn't a nice thing.

Abriael, I gotta suggest you just let it be and let Kensei tell himself whatever he wants. If he hasn't seen the error in his assertions by now - after over 80 pages - he's never going to.

At this point, he's playing semantics, crying "nerf!" over what most everyone else recognizes as balancing of sp across multiple activites instead of having most of it come from one or two. This is exactly what Yoshi said would happen, and the only people who seem to not realize this are Kensei and the few defenders he's had in this thread.

Anyone with a shred of common-sense and honesty can look at the situation, look at the numbers that you and several others have presented, compare them to pre-patch figures and see that, overall, sp gain has either increased, or at best remained mostly level.

I've seen it time and again... when people are discussing specific activities, it's described as the sp/hr has either increased, or decreased overall. I saw the same thing in my LS discussion last night. When you look at sp gain across the board (ie. ranking up) it's remained more or less balanced.

On balance, the rate at which sp can be gained has not changed all that much, unless you're someone like Kensei who insists on sticking to one or two activities.

Kensei is stuck on the Behest/Leve thing and ignoring all other options at this point because he *has* to. Being willfully ignorant and ignoring any evidence to the contrary is the only way in which he can continue claiming that he was somehow lied to. He's played his victim card and is clinging to it for all its worth.

It can't be explained to him any more clearly than it already has, with actual numbers and figures, by people who have far more hands-on experience in the game than he has. He's not listening. His mind and "ears" are shut to anything other than what he's committed to believing.

It's like listening to damn politicians and pundits on some cable news station. It goes something like this (as a made-up example)...
Pundit A: "Because the president wants to increase taxes by 10%, it will become more difficult for middle-class and lower families to survive.
Pundit B: That's nonsense because there is no such plan to increase taxes. What the president actually said is "provides direct quote that Pundit A is taking out of context". So, no, there is no plan to increase taxes, at all, much less by 10%"
Pundit A: In addition, the president raising taxes by 10% is going to result in schools having to cut things like music and sports because they won't have enough money. America's children will not be able to partake in or be educated in such activities."
Pundit B: Again, false claim based on a fallacious premise... There is no such plan to raise the taxes. Here is another source, directly from the president stating otherwise."
Pundit A: Even worse, because the president is raising taxes by 10%..."

And so on. Pundit A would clearly be Kensei in this case. No matter how much evidence is shown to him that undermines his entire claim, he just continues on repeating the same mantra over and over and over.

It's a lost cause trying to reason with someone who obviously doesn't want to be reasonable.

Best thing to do at this point, honestly, is let Kensei believe what he wants, because he's clearly going to anyway. Let the thread die and be buried already. It's already been given far more attention than it warrants.

[Emonzaemon]

Abriael, I gotta suggest you just let it be and let Kensei tell himself whatever he wants. If he hasn't seen the error in his assertions by now - after over 80 pages - he's never going to.

At this point, he's playing semantics, crying "nerf!" over what most everyone else recognizes as balancing of sp across multiple activites instead of having most of it come from one or two. This is exactly what Yoshi said would happen, and the only people who seem to not realize this are Kensei and the few defenders he's had in this thread.

Anyone with a shred of common-sense and honesty can look at the situation, look at the numbers that you and several others have presented, compare them to pre-patch figures and see that, overall, sp gain has either increased, or at best remained mostly level.

I've seen it time and again... when people are discussing specific activities, it's described as the sp/hr has either increased, or decreased overall. I saw the same thing in my LS discussion last night. When you look at sp gain across the board (ie. ranking up) it's remained more or less balanced.

On balance, the rate at which sp can be gained has not changed all that much, unless you're someone like Kensei who insists on sticking to one or two activities.

Kensei is stuck on the Behest/Leve thing and ignoring all other options at this point because he *has* to. Being willfully ignorant and ignoring any evidence to the contrary is the only way in which he can continue claiming that he was somehow lied to. He's played his victim card and is clinging to it for all its worth.

It can't be explained to him any more clearly than it already has, with actual numbers and figures, by people who have far more hands-on experience in the game than he has. He's not listening. His mind and "ears" are shut to anything other than what he's committed to believing.

It's like listening to damn politicians and pundits on some cable news station. It goes something like this (as a made-up example)...
Pundit A: "Because the president wants to increase taxes by 10%, it will become more difficult for middle-class and lower families to survive.
Pundit B: That's nonsense because there is no such plan to increase taxes. What the president actually said is "provides direct quote that Pundit A is taking out of context". So, no, there is no plan to increase taxes, at all, much less by 10%"
Pundit A: In addition, the president raising taxes by 10% is going to result in schools having to cut things like music and sports because they won't have enough money. America's children will not be able to partake in or be educated in such activities."
Pundit B: Again, false claim based on a fallacious premise... There is no such plan to raise the taxes. Here is another source, directly from the president stating otherwise."
Pundit A: Even worse, because the president is raising taxes by 10%..."

And so on. Pundit A would clearly be Kensei in this case. No matter how much evidence is shown to him that undermines his entire claim, he just continues on repeating the same mantra over and over and over.

It's a lost cause trying to reason with someone who obviously doesn't want to be reasonable.

Best thing to do at this point, honestly, is let Kensei believe what he wants, because he's clearly going to anyway. Let the thread die and be buried already. It's already been given far more attention than it warrants.

You're my new best friend, I'm going to take your advice, because I know I've proven him wrong on multiple occasions but he just wants to tell me I'm missing some point he's trying to make when he doesn't actually have one, because like you and I both said he's taking it out of context and shutting his ears to everything else. Thanks friend, I love you. <4444 (I initially typed <4444, then realized I didn't type <33333, so I changed it back to <4444 cuz I <4 you.)

Also, I don't see how Abriael is trolling if he's telling you why you're wrong.

[Abriael]

Also, I don't see how Abriael is trolling if he's telling you why you're wrong.

Calling a troll someone whose argument you cannot counter is a common forum trick. Never works, but people with poor debating skills always try.

[Kensei]

Abriael, I gotta suggest you just let it be and let Kensei tell himself whatever he wants.

Yes and as should have you if you have nothing to contribute to the topic's point.

If he hasn't seen the error in his assertions by now - after over 80 pages - he's never going to.

It is him and his supporters who have yet to understand and yeah you guys won't understand because the facts don't matter to any of you. All that matters is trying to prove me wrong by any means.

At this point, he's playing semantics, crying "nerf!" over what most everyone else recognizes as balancing of sp across multiple activites instead of having most of it come from one or two.

If the balancing slowed the speed of SP/hour then ranking up was nerfed and we were lied to. It doesn't take a genius to understand that.

This is exactly what Yoshi said would happen, and the only people who seem to not realize this are Kensei and the few defenders he's had in this thread.

Nope this is what Yoshi said wouldn't happen:

"Ever since I posted on the forums, we’ve been receiving feedback from players worrying about whether or not we’re going to be nerfing the ranking up process. The simple and emphatic answer to this, just as I posted in the forums, is no."

And it did so we were lied to.

Anyone with a shred of common-sense and honesty can look at the situation, look at the numbers that you and several others have presented, compare them to pre-patch figures and see that, overall, sp gain has either increased, or at best remained mostly level.

Where are these verifiable numbers you speak of? Oh that's right. They are just claims yet you act as if they were fact.

I've seen it time and again... when people are discussing specific activities, it's described as the sp/hr has either increased, or decreased overall. I saw the same thing in my LS discussion last night. When you look at sp gain across the board (ie. ranking up) it's remained more or less balanced.

It's not a question of balance, it's a question of whether or not it is slower now, and it is.

On balance, the rate at which sp can be gained has not changed all that much, unless you're someone like Kensei who insists on sticking to one or two activities.

If you had read you would have seen my posts about EVERY activity that awards SP. They are all slower. The best sp/hour after the patch is grinding which is what I've been doing. I discussed my results with another poster a couple of pages back but you clearly don't read.

Kensei is stuck on the Behest/Leve thing and ignoring all other options at this point because he *has* to. Being willfully ignorant and ignoring any evidence to the contrary is the only way in which he can continue claiming that he was somehow lied to. He's played his victim card and is clinging to it for all its worth.

I have only done behest and leves once after the patch and never again after seeing the miserable SP they now provide. I now grind which is the fastest choice post-patch. It is still slower than what could be achieved pre-patch. I'm not a victim here nor am I playing one. I just don't like being told false information.

It can't be explained to him any more clearly than it already has, with actual numbers and figures, by people who have far more hands-on experience in the game than he has. He's not listening. His mind and "ears" are shut to anything other than what he's committed to believing.

Again what actual numbers and figures? For them to be actual they have to be verified, not claimed. On the other hand many have posted the same results as me that it has been slowed down.

It's like listening to damn politicians and pundits on some cable news station. It goes something like this (as a made-up example)...
Pundit A: "Because the president wants to increase taxes by 10%, it will become more difficult for middle-class and lower families to survive.
Pundit B: That's nonsense because there is no such plan to increase taxes. What the president actually said is "provides direct quote that Pundit A is taking out of context". So, no, there is no plan to increase taxes, at all, much less by 10%"
Pundit A: In addition, the president raising taxes by 10% is going to result in schools having to cut things like music and sports because they won't have enough money. America's children will not be able to partake in or be educated in such activities."
Pundit B: Again, false claim based on a fallacious premise... There is no such plan to raise the taxes. Here is another source, directly from the president stating otherwise."
Pundit A: Even worse, because the president is raising taxes by 10%..."

And so on. Pundit A would clearly be Kensei in this case. No matter how much evidence is shown to him that undermines his entire claim, he just continues on repeating the same mantra over and over and over.

Terrible example. You clearly know nothing and have no interest in knowing. No verifiable proof has been given to prove me wrong other than claims. You can't take what people say by faith my friend, or you are gonna be ripped off and taken advantage of many times in life.

It's a lost cause trying to reason with someone who obviously doesn't want to be reasonable.

There's nothing to reason. SP/hour is slower. We were lied. Very simple.

Best thing to do at this point, honestly, is let Kensei believe what he wants, because he's clearly going to anyway.

I stick with the facts so we are definitely not gonna agree so why do you guys keep beating on the dead horse?

Let the thread die and be buried already. It's already been given far more attention than it warrants.

Funny you should say that. It's because of posts like yours and those you support that add nothing to the threads point that it keeps getting bumped.

[Coldfire]

So something everyone did to level up was removed and it's not a nerf? Seriously? If you really think so you're just pathetic...

[Abriael]

So something everyone did to level up was removed and it's not a nerf? Seriously? If you really think so you're just pathetic...

Nothing has been removed. A mindlessly repeatitive activity requiring too little effort has been rebalanced in order to reduce mindless repetition. Other, more cost/risk/reward effective activities are still in place as they were before. New activities have been given rewards.

In the end the curve remains unchanged.

By the way, what "everyone" are you talking about?