SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Kensei]

so let me ask you this

is it reasonable to get the last rank in less then 2 hours in ANY mmo?

No, of course not.

i call that unreasonable, and way too fast by any standard

I agree 100%.

you dont want people getting the ranks too too easy, and thats what was happening before(and thats not counting the fact at rank 30 you were getting a rank an hour which was even worse)

I completely agree with this too.

now you still get ranks at a fairly quick rate(4 hours tops id say) which is reasonable

Well I don't know that we can throw specific amount of time it would take to rank up now because it depends on what rank we are talking about but I think it is agreed that it takes longer than before. Now I am NOT discussing whether or not it should have been slowed down (I do agree that it was too fast), I am talking about the fact that it was stated it wouldn't.

Why would they go out of their way to tell us, a day before the patch went live, that ranking up would remain the same and then nerf it? It upsets me that they would attempt to sort of reassure everyone and then do that. If it was done consciously that's just a slap in the face to everyone who has remained loyal through thick and thin and if it was done by an oversight then sadly they unconsciously did what they said they wouldn't.

if you wanted easy quick ranks, you lost your chance at it, time to get with the times and play it like its a real mmo and actualy take the time to earn stuff

I did not want that. I just don't want to be given false information. I do think that while it needed to be slowed down some it was slowed down a bit too much but that's not for me to decide and that is not the point of the thread.

[TheVedis]

No, of course not.



I agree 100%.



I completely agree with this too.



Well I don't know that we can throw specific amount of time it would take to rank up now because it depends on what rank we are talking about but I think it is agreed that it takes longer than before. Now I am NOT discussing whether or not it should have been slowed down (I do agree that it was too fast), I am talking about the fact that it was stated it wouldn't.

Why would they go out of their way to tell us, a day before the patch went live, that ranking up would remain the same and then nerf it? It upsets me that they would attempt to sort of reassure everyone and then do that. If it was done consciously that's just a slap in the face to everyone who has remained loyal through thick and thin and if it was done by an oversight then sadly they unconsciously did what they said they wouldn't.



I did not want that. I just don't want to be given false information. I do think that while it needed to be slowed down some it was slowed down a bit too much but that's not for me to decide and that is not the point of the thread.

4 hours tops at ALL ranks

remember, you get 25-30k an hour on raptors still
thats 4 hours for the final rank, 5 tops

and since you start that at 44(when the sp is slightly over 80k) you can only guess how fast the ranks below it are, and you dont even need as much sp per hour to rank as fast then

[Kensei]

4 hours tops at ALL ranks

remember, you get 25-30k an hour on raptors still
thats 4 hours for the final rank, 5 tops

and since you start that at 44(when the sp is slightly over 80k) you can only guess how fast the ranks below it are, and you dont even need as much sp per hour to rank as fast then

Well there you go. If your numbers are accurate then yeah 4 hours. But as I explained that's not what my point is. It's what was stated in the letter and what they actually did.

Anyway, thanks for being so respectful and actually giving input instead of going "LOL you are wrong I got 200k last night in 2 hours. Learn to play noob!". The forums need more people like you, cheers!

[Abriael]

Well there you go. If your numbers are accurate then yeah 4 hours. But as I explained that's not what my point is. It's what was stated in the letter and what they actually did.

Anyway, thanks for being so respectful and actually giving input instead of going "LOL you are wrong I got 200k last night in 2 hours. Learn to play noob!". The forums need more people like you, cheers!

the not so hidden point in what TheVedis Said and that you conveniently ignored is that it's still very possible to get a LOT more SP than what you used to get in your precious behest. No behest out there used to give 30k/hour (actually, it's entirely possible to skim just under 40k hour with raptors and similar grinding). Hence, your false point has been proven for what it is: False.

If there even was any further need of it, considering that many already posted several verifiable figures way higher than old behest figures, achieved with several activities.

[Kensei]

the not so hidden point in what TheVedis Said and that you conveniently missed is that it's still very possible to get a LOT more SP than what you used to get in your precious behest. No behest out there used to give 30k/hour (actually, it's entirely possible to skim just under 40k hour with raptors and similar grinding). Hence, your false point has been proven for what it is: False.

If there even was any further need of it, considering that many already posted several verifiable figures way higher than old behest figures, with several activities.

TheVedis said ranking up was faster before the patch, meaning it is slower now.

"you dont want people getting the ranks too too easy, and thats what was happening before(and thats not counting the fact at rank 30 you were getting a rank an hour which was even worse)"

Read more carefully next time instead of being so focused on trolling.

[Abriael]

TheVedis said ranking up was too fast before the patch, meaning it is slower now.

TheVedis may not have tried with a good group. Grinding raptors is exactly as fast as before. You may want to try it before throwing wild accusations towards a developer.

Oh, wait. You can't, and you also have no idea how leveling in the second half of the curve was before the patch. How convenient.

Seriously, you should just man up and apologize. Falsely calling someone a liar isn't a nice thing.

[Kensei]

TheVedis may not have tried with a good group. Grinding raptors is exactly as fast as before. You may want to try it before throwing wild accusations towards a developer.

Oh, wait. You can't, and you also have no idea how leveling in the second half of the curve was before the patch. How convenient.

Seriously, you should just man up and apologize. Falsely calling someone a liar isn't a nice thing.

You've been proven wrong by countless people acknowledging it was faster pre-patch. We were lied to regardless of if it was intentional or not. Deal with it.

[Preypacer]

TheVedis may not have tried with a good group. Grinding raptors is exactly as fast as before. You may want to try it before throwing wild accusations towards a developer.

Oh, wait. You can't, and you also have no idea how leveling in the second half of the curve was before the patch. How convenient.

Seriously, you should just man up and apologize. Falsely calling someone a liar isn't a nice thing.

Abriael, I gotta suggest you just let it be and let Kensei tell himself whatever he wants. If he hasn't seen the error in his assertions by now - after over 80 pages - he's never going to.

At this point, he's playing semantics, crying "nerf!" over what most everyone else recognizes as balancing of sp across multiple activites instead of having most of it come from one or two. This is exactly what Yoshi said would happen, and the only people who seem to not realize this are Kensei and the few defenders he's had in this thread.

Anyone with a shred of common-sense and honesty can look at the situation, look at the numbers that you and several others have presented, compare them to pre-patch figures and see that, overall, sp gain has either increased, or at best remained mostly level.

I've seen it time and again... when people are discussing specific activities, it's described as the sp/hr has either increased, or decreased overall. I saw the same thing in my LS discussion last night. When you look at sp gain across the board (ie. ranking up) it's remained more or less balanced.

On balance, the rate at which sp can be gained has not changed all that much, unless you're someone like Kensei who insists on sticking to one or two activities.

Kensei is stuck on the Behest/Leve thing and ignoring all other options at this point because he *has* to. Being willfully ignorant and ignoring any evidence to the contrary is the only way in which he can continue claiming that he was somehow lied to. He's played his victim card and is clinging to it for all its worth.

It can't be explained to him any more clearly than it already has, with actual numbers and figures, by people who have far more hands-on experience in the game than he has. He's not listening. His mind and "ears" are shut to anything other than what he's committed to believing.

It's like listening to damn politicians and pundits on some cable news station. It goes something like this (as a made-up example)...
Pundit A: "Because the president wants to increase taxes by 10%, it will become more difficult for middle-class and lower families to survive.
Pundit B: That's nonsense because there is no such plan to increase taxes. What the president actually said is "provides direct quote that Pundit A is taking out of context". So, no, there is no plan to increase taxes, at all, much less by 10%"
Pundit A: In addition, the president raising taxes by 10% is going to result in schools having to cut things like music and sports because they won't have enough money. America's children will not be able to partake in or be educated in such activities."
Pundit B: Again, false claim based on a fallacious premise... There is no such plan to raise the taxes. Here is another source, directly from the president stating otherwise."
Pundit A: Even worse, because the president is raising taxes by 10%..."

And so on. Pundit A would clearly be Kensei in this case. No matter how much evidence is shown to him that undermines his entire claim, he just continues on repeating the same mantra over and over and over.

It's a lost cause trying to reason with someone who obviously doesn't want to be reasonable.

Best thing to do at this point, honestly, is let Kensei believe what he wants, because he's clearly going to anyway. Let the thread die and be buried already. It's already been given far more attention than it warrants.

[Coldfire]

So something everyone did to level up was removed and it's not a nerf? Seriously? If you really think so you're just pathetic...

[Abriael]

So something everyone did to level up was removed and it's not a nerf? Seriously? If you really think so you're just pathetic...

Nothing has been removed. A mindlessly repeatitive activity requiring too little effort has been rebalanced in order to reduce mindless repetition. Other, more cost/risk/reward effective activities are still in place as they were before. New activities have been given rewards.

In the end the curve remains unchanged.

By the way, what "everyone" are you talking about?