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  1. #111
    Player LeeraSorlan's Avatar
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    if you truly read what i said (considering you quoted it) then i am referring to a cash shop in a pay to play game. sure a sub is a paywall...but its a paywall to play the game in its entirety.
    when items are taken and put into a cash shop to buy outside of that subscription fee is where the line meets its limits.
    its a paywall in a subscription based game, simple as that and it should not be there.
    i am sorry if you are perfectly accepting that you need to pay for items in a game that you already pay monthly for but quite alot of us are not so accepting.


    as it stands now there is little vanity or items in general in the cash shop but i do not expect it to stay this way.
    the basis of any type of thing like this is always to test the waters and gradually add stuff in.
    first vanity. then boosters. then gear.
    the more this is supported the worse it will become overall.
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  2. #112
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    That's what I mean by the assumption of not obtaining items in-game - Nothing perse was taken out of the game because in all actuality, we still got the same amount of vanity items we always do, heck we even got more when you think about it. Same with the minions, there's a few in the cash shop and there's many more that will be in game as per comm rep stating some that were listed were for patches 2.45 and 2.5, meaning not cash shop exclusive.

    They're not locking anything behind a paywall that they already didn't from the get go. They already said the cash shop will stick to strictly vanity items, but didn't say they will be taking content out of game to do so (which seems to be the fear people have that argue against it.) The only time cash shops go "down that path" is when they go Free to Play. The only exception I've seen was Blizzard using a catchup service.
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  3. #113
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    Coil access tokens.
    Tomestone acquisition boosters.
    All armor is "weathered" until you buy Allagan catalysts from the cash shop to upgrade it.

    Please look forward to it.
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  4. #114
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    I'm already canceled two retainers from my subscription, and not that stupid and pay real money for some mounts or minions that we could actually obtained in game.
    They have become greedy.
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  5. #115
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    Okay, this thread has now gotten entirely derailed off topic.

    This thread is about Cash shop items are too expensive.

    if you want to complain about cash shop being in game in general, please direct yourself to http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...hop-confirmed/

    There is an abundance of people here who will quite agree, or debate with you.


    Now, back on topic.

    I hope all mounts available aren't going to be this price. that smore than I paid for the game itself!
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  6. #116
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    I have to say i think they should have avoided Cash Shop, Anytime i see people say "its only vanity" lying to yourself. That's how all cash shops start with vanity then overtime you will see some pay to win aspects. This is just a form of being a greedy they are a pay to play game they shouldn't need cash shop. Giving WoW as a excuse is just bad because its Warcraft that has a huge fanbase so of course it will have many dedicated followers.

    Most games that have cash shop either go free to play or close down, Like Tera wasn't doing well went free to play then added cash shop, SWTOR went free to play added cash shop. Cash shops are made for free to play games for them to have some form of income because it's not pay to play. When a pay to play does it will be seen as greed nothing else. You have to remember they invest money to do this service and create these items so instead of using this on content they waste it on cash shop. Personally they should just get rid of it, they just want extra cash that's it not need to sugar coast it and believe what SE says, its just PR talk to make them look good and not be creating for reasons that we think. I mean the guy even said that they wouldn't add cash shop to this game a year later...cash shop... can you honestly believe what he says now? I mean he also says that Final coil won't be down quickly without some new gear and look people already on last turn.

    On-topic: I think its too expensive personally. But its their choice and i cant really do much about it, buy if you want dont if dont support it
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  7. #117
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    It's already an established norm (Actually a wee bit cheaper) which is effective everywhere else. That is why.

    Bet a quarter of the population already bought it. The 10 people here complaining about how high it is just does not compare to the ones that already have it.

    Sales. Please look forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tocsin View Post
    Please provide details on your numbers. I would like to see a source.

    Especially since I posted a source not 4 pages ago, detailing mathematically that ffxiv cannot have more than 300k subs atm.

    Yoshi-P has already detailed via interview that proceeds from the Cash Shop will be directly going toward upgrading servers for Housing. they cannot afford it otherwise, and based on their investor reports, I can see why.

    edit: not in this thread. my bad, posting in multiple "Cash shop makes me butthurt" threads at once.
    I am gonna have to agree with you in regards to subscriptions. I have known this for sometime but players still say that the game has 2 mil players and it dosent. I have been unable to find where your link is and would love to take a look at it.
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    Last edited by maxthunder1; 10-30-2014 at 08:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxthunder1 View Post
    I am gonna have to agree with you in regards to subscriptions. I have known this for sometime but players still say that the game has 2 mil players and it dosent.
    Back in April, 2 Million

    Now with China in August. 2 + 1 = 3. Therefore, 3 million.

    Least use sources.
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  10. #120
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    Those are total preorders and orders in the world, not subscriptions.

    I could detail all of this here, but its 7:30 am, and im feeling lazy today, so ill direct you to http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ousing-and-gil

    also, I wouldn't consider a source from cravegaming.com to be an end all primary source. I'm in college, and that source would not be allowed on a research paper.

    Now, give me a SE direct source saying that, and ill concede the point gladly, but they avoid using the word subscriptions at all costs.
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    Last edited by tocsin; 10-30-2014 at 08:57 PM.

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