Ninja damage insane over monk

[Leonus]

People are overreacting to nin. I'm sure a lot of testing was done damage wise in comparison to mnk. If anything, drg should be brought up damage wise in comparison to where mnk is.

I will say a very good nin will also have really good dps in long fights and it might take longer to catch a nin in damage over a long fight than a drg for a mnk.

I see it like this, drg has really high burst damage, mnk has really high sustained damage. Nin is in the middle.

[SpecialKK]

People are overreacting to nin. I'm sure a lot of testing was done damage wise in comparison to mnk. If anything, drg should be brought up damage wise in comparison to where mnk is.

I will say a very good nin will also have really good dps in long fights and it might take longer to catch a nin in damage over a long fight than a drg for a mnk.

I see it like this, drg has really high burst damage, mnk has really high sustained damage. Nin is in the middle.

I'm thinking (more hoping) DRG will get a buff in 3.0

Right now, MNK is tops against single-target boss fights that doesn't have a lot of downtime. They should be fine in the long run even with NIN.

But, based on prelim comments about NINs, their single-target boss damage, though they may not be able to surpass MNK, is still very close to it. Yet, they appear to have better "burst" damage than MNKs. Meanwhile, DRGs appears to lose out against both on single-target and their burst damage shines on quick "adds" kills (since they have less of a timer with their burst ability than NIN).

Basically, this is how they appear to be shaping up right now:

Single Target with no/little downtime: MNK > NIN > DRG
ST with downtime (enough for MNK to lose GL): NIN > DRG > MNK
Frequent Burst skills: DRG > NIN > MNK
Positional requirements (in terms of ease): NIN > DRG > MNK

Just looking at those four criteria, you see that NIN is never last. MNK has the best ST dmg in exchange for their difficult positional requirements. They either rate good or really good without drawbacks. And here's a fifth category that, IMO ultimately swings the favor to NIN over DRG...

Utility

A MNK can Silence
A DRG can Stun
A NIN can Stun, Silence, AND refresh TP for a party member

Given the versatility of DPS they bring to the table, less positional requirements, and the utility they bring to the table...you just can't beat that skill set. And since groups will likely only bring two melee DPS to most fights, why wouldn't you bring MNK and NIN?

[iMark521]

A MNK can also stun :P

I'll aways be a DRG lover, but I can't wait to get my NIN to 50.

[Alphras]

Utility

A MNK can Silence
A DRG can Stun
A NIN can Stun, Silence, AND refresh TP for a party member

Some additions:

MNK has mantra
DRG increases BRD damage
NIN increases party damage by 10% for 10s every minute

Edit: MNK also has a permanent INT debuff (whoever cares).

[melflomil]

Some additions:

MNK has mantra
DRG increases BRD damage
NIN increases party damage by 10% for 10s every minute

Edit: MNK also has a permanent INT debuff (whoever cares).

I thought Dragon kicks put a Blunt resistance down and INT resistance down by 10%?
So a mnk can benefit casters, Dragoons benift bard and WAR can benefit NiN?
So an ideal 8 man group would be

WAR
WHM
SCH
BRD
DRG
MNK
SMN/BLM
NIN

[whiskeybravo]

I thought Dragon kicks put a Blunt resistance down and INT resistance down by 10%?
So a mnk can benefit casters, Dragoons benift bard and WAR can benefit NiN?
So an ideal 8 man group would be

WAR
WHM
SCH
BRD
DRG
MNK
SMN/BLM
NIN

DK affects INT damage dealt by target (like large magic based AOE damage from bosses) not a magic resistance down like Foe's Requiem.

I do like the synergy between WAR and NIN though, if war maintains storm's eye then NIN can use their higher potency combo. Then pop Goad on them to help with that overpower spam.

[Rahaya]

Utility

A MNK can Silence
A DRG can Stun
A NIN can Stun, Silence, AND refresh TP for a party member

Given the versatility of DPS they bring to the table, less positional requirements, and the utility they bring to the table...you just can't beat that skill set. And since groups will likely only bring two melee DPS to most fights, why wouldn't you bring MNK and NIN?

Mnk can stun (twice with a good Shoulder Tackle) AND silence as I fondly remember solo silencing ADS back in the day and you have Steel Peak.

That's the main problem with these comparison posts, imo. People are always forgetting about or dismissing ALL points of the DRG and MNK. DRG still seems to be the better AOE dps, for example.

[SpecialKK]

Mnk can stun (twice with a good Shoulder Tackle) AND silence as I fondly remember solo silencing ADS back in the day and you have Steel Peak.

That's the main problem with these comparison posts, imo. People are always forgetting about or dismissing ALL points of the DRG and MNK. DRG still seems to be the better AOE dps, for example.

All this does is support my point though. When you look at damage and utility, MNK and NIN looks to be better than DRG.

[Alphras]

Mnk can stun (twice with a good Shoulder Tackle) AND silence as I fondly remember solo silencing ADS back in the day and you have Steel Peak.

That's the main problem with these comparison posts, imo. People are always forgetting about or dismissing ALL points of the DRG and MNK. DRG still seems to be the better AOE dps, for example.

Well, frankly for melee dps all the support utility that didn't increase damage and aoe capability were not relevant in scob and this is what was important the last six months (could argue in favor of Mantra). We will see how it works out in the new content.

[Rahaya]

Well, frankly for melee dps all the support utility that didn't increase damage and aoe capability were not relevant in scob and this is what was important the last six months (could argue in favor of Mantra). We will see how it works out in the new content.

My comment was mainly a reaction to 'NIN has too much utility, damage should be low' idea when MNK is right there as top dps with Mantra vs Goad.