Keep past content out of Cash Shop

[Swagcity]

There was nothing extremely offensive in what I said. Your making a mountain from a molehill in that regard. It is not short sighted to understand there is the possibility they might change direction later of which even I consider possible but also understand they might not, it is however close minded to rule out the possibility that they will keep to their word only putting vanity items in, a possibility you ruled out

Read my previous post please; #230.

Again; the cash shop can contain exclusive vanity options that ppl will drool over. Yes they can keep their word by only adding vanity options, but those vanity options could be awesome/exclusive. We are talking about vanity stuff, right?

[polyphonica]

There was also news that the minions were possible going to be available in game

Just to clarify what he said at EU Fanfest, he was clarifying a hypothetical based on complaints raised in threads like this. He mentioned that some had expressed concerns that all minions from now on would be on the cash shop instead of in-game, but he said that would not be the case. He said that the funds raised through optional item shop sales would be used to, for example, add more minions and other items in-game.

So, he didn't say that the cash shop minions would be available in-game, but that they were going to continue putting minions in-game too.

[Krr]

I guess so.
Cultural Marxism, technology dependance, global climate change, extinction of rare species, Dr. Seuss warning people to take a part of the war before the war came to us, running out of candy on Halloween. All these atrocities happened regardless of how much people cried about them up the line. So I guess it is pretty pointless.
And yes. This is just as bad as the insanity that has shaped our world. Fully. Maybe more. Defiantly more.

>he still thinks cultural marxism is bad

(>posting trash in green text on a forum in 2014, yet another atrocity the world will face)

[Malric]

Legacy player here. (snip).. I don't care.

This thinking destroys games!

Of course you're okay with this concept as a legacy player.
You were okay with paying for the game when it sucked and no one else would.

MANY of us came AFTER only because they fixed it.

This is how your type always responds:

They start with cosmetics & mounts

"What's the big deal?"

It goes to housing decorations & dyes

"None of it alters game play!"

Then one of these becomes a sellable item and people sell for bank

"You can't buy the best stuff with gil anyway"

Then it's starter gear, exp boosts, etc

"It's only X level, it's not Pay-to-Win"

It would take them selling end game raid gear and I'm not even sure that would convince you!

To be honest, it's truly heartbreaking to us that know what's coming.
Ignorance really is bliss...

Your argument is predictable because everyone before you made the same ones in every other MMO and they were all wrong too.

[Volsung]

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I don't care if they add past content rewards to cash shop. That's the
point to this thread. You're talking about a cash shop in general, and
feelings of what it might bring.

That was the whole point in bringing up legacy. You want the reindeer,
santa, or other stuff available in the past? Have at it.

It does not hurt my pride in any way shape or form for someone to buy
a holiday outfit that I earned eons past and no longer wear, and only
look at in my inventory. Don't read too far into things.

Also Slippery slope fallacy

As far as what the cash shop may bring in the future down the line, if
they stick to their guns and make it vanity only, its just an option thing
for players to buy things they want and support the company that runs
the game. If SE gets greedy in the end, it will be up to every person
to decide when a line has been crossed.

[Malric]

I don't care...

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Don't read too far into things.

Also Slippery slope fallacy

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S.E.'s justification and those that support this is the business model of other companies.
(all of which have done exactly what the feared outcome is)

Every company ever that went from pay to play to introducing a cash shop has done this.

More applicable would be:

Argument from ignorance

or at best:

Optimism bias

The major objection people have is the step S.E. is taken.
It's a step that will drive MANY of them (myself included) to leave the game.
These complaints are a plea for them not to walk this path.

You were okay with paying for a game that sucked.
The rest of us that made this game a growing success were not.

[Malric]

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Also Slippery slope fallacy
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I would also like to point out that IF by some miracle S.E. manages to become the first MMORPG developer in history to find balance in this situation.

It will only be because of the voices of people protesting reminding them that greed will cost them money.

If it was left entirely to those that "don't care" we wouldn't even have ARR to begin with and "Legacy" players would just be the normal players in a lonely failing MMO.

[Volsung]

...Argument from ignorance[/URL]

Not applicable. I admit there is evidence cash shops go too far,
and in many games, not every game.

snip.

Oh believe me, if they went too far I'd voice my opinion too. And again,
I only brought up play time to show I don't care if players want vanity from
times long forgotten. the point of my post was to let people know that I don't
care if players can buy nice looking things they want that are no longer in game.
As for now, its vanity.

You keep pointing out the legacy thing, but you miss the entire point.

[Malric]

snip, but you miss the entire point.

I get it, you don't care about cosmetics, etc. (stuff that don't effect your game play)

The point many of us have tried to make:

1. That's where all cash shops start.

2. There are are those that these cosmetics matter to. The idea of items that can be obtained through cash shops but not through game play de-values the sub stating that you MUST purchase from the cash shop to obtain "X" item.

3. Extra Retainers & Fantasias, Sleipnir mount, legacy rewards, event items no longer given. This is already a lot of value taken from a sub in a world of f2p MMOs cash shops. Do you think this is it? They won't add more?

Not applicable. I admit there is evidence cash shops go too far,
and in many games, not every game.

I do not know your MMO experience or definition of too far, however I know mine. I can not think of one main stream game to add a cash shop and not go too far.

I would acknowledge that it's not "every game" if you could point out one main stream MMO that stopped at non-tradable cosmetics.

We don't even know of anything in there will be tradable. (not just now, but ever)

[LittleArrow]

Just to clarify what he said at EU Fanfest, he was clarifying a hypothetical based on complaints raised in threads like this. He mentioned that some had expressed concerns that all minions from now on would be on the cash shop instead of in-game, but he said that would not be the case. He said that the funds raised through optional item shop sales would be used to, for example, add more minions and other items in-game.

So, he didn't say that the cash shop minions would be available in-game, but that they were going to continue putting minions in-game too.

Hrm, thanks for that comment. Everyone I've spoken with said what I posted. Ugh, I def need to listen to that keynote. What I took from that was the minions would be tradable in game - they're not exclusive, you can sell them on the market board.