Dark Knight

[EdwinLi]

I'm more concerned about how players will take the Dark knight Role as a Tank seriously enough to properly Tank in a group.

Popular or not if players don't take their role as a Tank seriously they will have issues playing as a Dark Knight in Group required contents.

[silentwindfr]

I wonder which city the DRK will start in and where the guild will be. Will Isghard become a new starter city with DRK and the gunner job, but this will cause a conflict with current highlands or maybe a smaller city in a new expansion area. I can't imagine the DRK having to travel to Isghard from one of the 3 cities to start any job quests for gear and abilities.

i doubt they will be starting jobs, and i hope they will stop to try to make it early available.

[SirTaint]

No... they really weren't. They could tank WEAK targets, sure, but they basically required cure-bombing from the white mages, red mages, summoners and etceteras in the party or alliance. Aggro wasn't an issue, but their squishy-as-all-hell bodies sure were!

The reason they 'tanked' is because there was a means to basically cap their haste to extreme levels, making their swings almost as fast, if not AS fast, as a dagger. And on a two-hander, it was simply devastating. Stealing aggro against that is futile, so they relied on NUMBERS rather than having a single DRK tank. If one died, he could be revived and be back in the fight in no time flat.

Just no. I tanked Tiamat Cerberus khimera fafnir nidhogg sandworm omega. I was a career Ffxi endgame tank.

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[Rhysati]

Just logged on to say that nothing screams "DD" louder than a job that historically sacrifices HP to deal more damage.

Thanks Square for destroying that.

Just because that's how YOU see it doesn't mean they destroyed anything. Let's take a look at one of the big-daddies of MMO history: Everquest. They had a class called the ShadowKnight who used magical diseases and other spells to do damage and tank. They could sacrifice health to do more damage as well as drain life from their enemies.

You also have the DeathKnights in World of Warcraft that were originally designed as nothing but tanks.

Or, the big grand-daddy of them all: Dungeons and Dragons. They also had a Death Knight class that always maintained a little bit of tankiness.

The idea of a Dark Knight has always had that 'tanky' feel to it outside of the FF universe.

[Gilthas]

JThe idea of a Dark Knight has always had that 'tanky' feel to it outside of the FF universe.

It has also had that "tanky" feel to it in the FF series too. FFXI was the exception.

Sure, I was expecting the new tank to be Samurai, but when I saw Dark Knight my first thought was "yeah, that can easily fit in", not "omfg SE murdered the job!!!!"

[Alkimi]

Uh huh... keep trying to convince yourself. Sure, they could heal a bit of HP... but anything stronger than your average mob would strip their HP down so fast that it made little to no difference.

That same boss would do exactly the same to a Paladin. Blame Utsusemi for them never fixing defence properly.

Only when they introduced Ochain and fixed Aegis did that game get anything resembling a proper tank. And it was still useless for anything but tanking adds due to the ridiculous "enmity cap" system.

[SirTaint]

That same boss would do exactly the same to a Paladin. Blame Utsusemi for them never fixing defence properly.

Only when they introduced Ochain and fixed Aegis did that game get anything resembling a proper tank. And it was still useless for anything but tanking adds due to the ridiculous "enmity cap" system.

^ This

If DRK wasn't a tank in 11 what was? PLD couldn't hold hate off a DRK. NIN subbed DRK to keep hate but that got nerfed.

DRK SAM MNK were 11s "tanks" from around 2007 until today. And the reason it took until 2007 was because players didn't understand the mechanics. NIN made a comeback in abysses but that was because of broken dex/Crit ATMA.


Edit: Forgot WAR, they were solid tanks the last few years I played.

Edit2: I had a near capped PLD (Ochain,Aegis,Excal,Almace) and even with all its relics/emps it was "easy prey" fodder holding job for the game. You wouldn't bring a PLD to an endgame fight, you would bring a SAM,MNK,WAR,DRK

[Clayers]

Sorry if this is coming out of nowhere with any conversation that's going on in this thread I just wanted to throw this out there since they're probably getting a lot of feedback regarding DRK. Scythe please... that is all.

[Tsukino]

Sorry if this is coming out of nowhere with any conversation that's going on in this thread I just wanted to throw this out there since they're probably getting a lot of feedback regarding DRK. Scythe please... that is all.

Scythe was only in XI. Dark Knights have used swords in all the other games they were in.