Dark Knight

[Lemuria]

The best DRKs were used as tanks in FFXI. /snip

No... they really weren't. They could tank WEAK targets, sure, but they basically required cure-bombing from the white mages, red mages, summoners and etceteras in the party or alliance. Aggro wasn't an issue, but their squishy-as-all-hell bodies sure were!

The reason they 'tanked' is because there was a means to basically cap their haste to extreme levels, making their swings almost as fast, if not AS fast, as a dagger. And on a two-hander, it was simply devastating. Stealing aggro against that is futile, so they relied on NUMBERS rather than having a single DRK tank. If one died, he could be revived and be back in the fight in no time flat.

[Dhex]

No... they really weren't. They could tank WEAK targets, sure, but they basically required cure-bombing from the white mages, red mages, summoners and etceteras in the party or alliance. Aggro wasn't an issue, but their squishy-as-all-hell bodies sure were!

The reason they 'tanked' is because there was a means to basically cap their haste to extreme levels, making their swings almost as fast, if not AS fast, as a dagger. And on a two-hander, it was simply devastating. Stealing aggro against that is futile, so they relied on NUMBERS rather than having a single DRK tank. If one died, he could be revived and be back in the fight in no time flat.

Did you ever play with a DRK using a properly setup Apocalypse and Catastrophe... because just from reading this I can tell you never did...

[Animarelic]

Honestly we can't complain if it has the same DRK skills and mechanics that we know and love. I was never a fan of the Glass Cannon DPS version on XI. Even in older FF games DRKs were tanky.

If they make it a high HP Tank like a WAR that relies solely on STR like the original DRK and isn't CD heavy like a PLD then I won't complain.

[Gilthas]

They've ALWAYS been weak as all hell too, taking hits about as well as a newborn.

Pretty much the only Dark Knight in the series that's been weak as all hell was FFXI's Dark Knight, and that was because defense in that game didn't mean diddly squat. Warriors were squishy too in that game.

In other FFs they had good defense.

[Kisshu]

I wonder which city the DRK will start in and where the guild will be. Will Isghard become a new starter city with DRK and the gunner job, but this will cause a conflict with current highlands or maybe a smaller city in a new expansion area. I can't imagine the DRK having to travel to Isghard from one of the 3 cities to start any job quests for gear and abilities.

[Velthice]

As a career tank, I'm totally stoked that the new tank is actually something cool.

[Sho86]

Pretty much the only Dark Knight in the series that's been weak as all hell was FFXI's Dark Knight, and that was because defense in that game didn't mean diddly squat. Warriors were squishy too in that game.

In other FFs they had good defense.

Yeah I remember Cecil/Gafgarion/FFTDarkKnights/Leon taking hits quite well compared to other job/characters. If you made them weaker defense for the sake of power, well that was your call.

[HiawathaNimah]

i want to be a "bright" 2 handed sword user. not some wanna be edgy role...

[Arkanethered]

Did you ever play with a DRK using a properly setup Apocalypse and Catastrophe... because just from reading this I can tell you never did...

Seconded....

[Lemuria]

Did you ever play with a DRK using a properly setup Apocalypse and Catastrophe... because just from reading this I can tell you never did...

Uh huh... keep trying to convince yourself. Sure, they could heal a bit of HP... but anything stronger than your average mob would strip their HP down so fast that it made little to no difference. And yes, that INCLUDES the super-upgraded level 99 relic weapon! The only time you would see a Dark Knight tank 'properly' is by downing a Primeval Brew... and only because it basically turned you into a god for a few minutes.

Heck, the heals wouldn't make much difference anyway since many bosses were strong enough to one-shot a Dark Knight if they accidentally stole aggro.