Cash shop confirmed

[Vhailor]

It is. The vanity kit will have been produced anyway, whether it be through crafting or dungeons. the difference now is the always present question of whether it'll be locked behind a second paywall. We are being robbed of content because daddy Sqaure Enix will never change, and will always try to screw over their most faithful eventually.

We can't make this judgment, as we lack any actual evidence. It's quite possible SE has additional resources focused on vanity gear because of the revenue it might bring in - resources that might not have been present were the cash shop to not exist. We simply can't analyze this effectively.

So about SE removing items from game and putting it on Cash Shop only....what was that again? If you did it, you're set. If you're new and missed the event, you never had access to these items to begin with. And would you look at that? 2.4 still introduces ingame mounts and minions.

Same goes to you, Tupsi. We have no information, and likely never will, on whether or not items are artificially placed into the cash shop when they might otherwise have been in the game normally. You're citing a single example, one which is provides virtually no evidence one way or another on the broader issue. Even a definitive statement on SE's part that all items in the cash shop will be obtainable in-game in some fashion would be insufficient, as SE could make the item artificially rare in order to encourage people to buy it.

In other words, to both of you (and the others bantering about this same topic) - we have nothing but uncertainty. There is absolutely no way to determine whether or not the cash shop will be taking away items we would have gotten otherwise. None. Any objective analysis (not that there's been much of it) must focus on other aspects of the cash shop that we can make some concrete predictions about, predictions which are independent of SE's internal development decisions.

[Xairos]

To the above: Then where are we, as players, at? Are we to forever fear that one day the cash shop will outweigh the game? Or that one day the game will make the cash shop so barren that SE will feel stupid for even implementing it?

Not saying you are wrong. You are right in your statement.

Given the new patch notes, it looks like SE might be keeping a good chunk of minions in the the game rather than the cash shop.

[Kyoraki]

El Snip

Odin Mount. We all knew it was coming eventually. And now it is, as a cash shop exclusive. And looking at Sqaure Enix's behaviour for the past entire console generation, is it really a wise idea to give the company the benefit of the doubt? It seems more and more that ARR was a fluke, not the company turning a new leaf.

[NozomiKei]

(Assuming "Meat" is time spent completing content, such as farming primals, and "Beans" as vanity gear.)

Its actually like ordering a meal that does not specify whether beans are included or not, but since it has in the past included beans with the meal, you assumed that the meal would always include beans. The restaurant has now decided that including the beans free of charge were cutting the profit margins of the meal too close, and decided that placing the beans on a separate menu would be more cost efficient, so that if people wanted to just get beans, without having to get meat with it, they could get just the beans, for an individual price.

add that the beans were only placed on the table after consuming the meat, andvegetarians who could not or did not want to consume the meat were not allowed to consume the beans. they can now access it when they could not before

Although this does mean that you get less on your plate for the original meal price, it makes the beans much more accessible, and appeals to the vegetarians that were used to having to buy the meat, and then not consume it, just to get to the beans.

I like this restaurant logic. It makes me think of food, and as a resident "fat man gamer" I like food.

Not saying this in a snappy way: I wasn't making meat = time spent completing content (vanity is content too by the way)
I meant for meat to be taken as the items that are currently labelled as progression, as few as they actually are. The meat you get on your plate is actually quite tiny, though it is also a very fancy, delicious cut. Maybe I should have mentioned that this restaurant is also very well known for its extensive quality bean offerings; the Baskin Robins of beans to some. Your sub each month is the cost of your meal

[tocsin]

Hey guys, am I the only one noticing a considerable lack of cash shop in the patch notes? Are they actually listening to us?

[LittleArrow]

Hey guys, am I the only one noticing a considerable lack of cash shop in the patch notes? Are they actually listening to us?

I was curious about this too. I know it seems a lot of us here know about the cash shop, but almost everyone in game is completely oblivious. I find this funny, because so many people argue that either side is a small minority - we're all a minority b/c no one knows about it yet. This could be a calculated move on SE's part to keep the cash shop hush so the masses don't rush to the forums. Not everyone watched that twitch, and most players I know don't even care about live letters. Who knows though. I definitely think we'll see more of a response (pro or anti) once the patch comes out and people see just exactly what's going on.

[Zumi]

Hey guys, am I the only one noticing a considerable lack of cash shop in the patch notes? Are they actually listening to us?

They don't usually list promo or bought items in patch notes, like the ones you get from CD or from buying the Mog Plush. Also there is plenty of us who want to buy the items on the cash shop so there is no reason they wouldn't do it.

[Roris]

Hey guys, am I the only one noticing a considerable lack of cash shop in the patch notes? Are they actually listening to us?

Well the cash shop is linked to the game but in itself its own thing and those notices would fall under Lodestone and Mog Station related announcements. The cash shop minions are in the patch with no indication they're cash shop only when they have already been confirmed, so from now on there's no way of knowing which items will be cash shop only and which will be in game rewards until they get announced beforehand, if they even do.

[Fellisin]

Hey guys, am I the only one noticing a considerable lack of cash shop in the patch notes? Are they actually listening to us?

I would say that because it not actually part of the patch, but a site feature which happens to be launched at the same time. We'll most likely see a separate post on the cash shop appear on lodestone to the 2.4 notes come the 28th.

[Gramul]

Hey guys, am I the only one noticing a considerable lack of cash shop in the patch notes? Are they actually listening to us?

Probably not.
This is how it usually starts. Small, simple, unintrusive. Then they slowly add more and more to get you acclimated. Before you know it, you got a full sized cash shop with all sorts of exclusive fanciful gear, mounts, minions and 'more' all for the low price of your subscription plus a few extra bucks you won't notice add up.