Cash shop confirmed

[Teryaani]

1000 characters a post is all I can say.

You can bypass it with edit, but it's cumbersome and we really shouldn't need to.

They sure can do p2p with a shop, but the thing is that no matter what they put in it so long as it remains exclusive it will severely impact the game lives of certain less affluent or more miserly players.

This right here is the crux of the problem a goodly number of players have with the cash shops and I completely understand why it's a topic that causes so much argument. I'm really hoping that SE doesn't go overboard on it. The have and have-not dichotomy in the game happens, but it shouldn't depend on RL bank account size.

[AnuheaLani]

So, why no cash shop at launch then? Back then both the trust in the game and their fiancial situation was even worse and they needed even more funds, more funds than a simple sub fee would cover, so why not announce all this way back then? By doing it now 's just clear they wanted to gain everyone's trust, announcing how the P2P model was the way to go and how a cash shop based model was bad for everyone because of the choices devs have to make whether to put an item in game or in the shop. They mentioned this in a couple of interviews, only to turn around and bait and switch yet again.

Not every business is perfect? Especially
when consumers are us. We want this can U add this can we have more! all that cost money. We dont know whats going on behind closed doors. Things happen and change. To us its a game for them its a business. Would "Apple"admit defeat and lost? They would do the reverse. So maybe SE should raise the monthly fee? say $25-30?

[RaddCuban]

Just so you know, you can go past the 1000 character limit by editing the post to add the extra. If I'm going to go over, I usually type my entire response out, copy it to clipboard. Then cut down till I'm below the 1000, post, then edit it and paste it all back in.

You can bypass it with edit, but it's cumbersome and we really shouldn't need to.

Many Thanks.

This right here is the crux of the problem a goodly number of players have with the cash shops and I completely understand why it's a topic that causes so much argument. I'm really hoping that SE doesn't go overboard on it. The have and have-not dichotomy in the game happens, but it shouldn't depend on RL bank account size.

Which is why if we talk perfect scenarios I would advocate that all promotional code content would eventually be made available through the cash shop or in game work as well that promotion, after giving the promotion time to expire, and the early adopters a period to be "Special Snowflakes" as it were.

[Roris]

Not every business is perfect? Especially
when consumers are us. We want this can U add this can we have more! all that cost money. We dont know whats going on behind closed doors. Things happen and change. To us its a game for them its a business. Would "Apple"admit defeat and lost? They would do the reverse. So maybe SE should raise the monthly fee? say $25-30?

Businesses are all about making money right? So they would have probably made more money had they launched with it in the first place. I'm sure selling digital goods, especially goods that were already created and were in the game since 1.0, isn't that costly especially when they had already designed and spent resources on making sure the Mog Station could accept transactions (as long as you don't have a certain credit card). I'm sure people would have been more understanding of a cash shop being announced since the 1.X days because they needed that money more than anything back then, and loyal players were eager to support them or else Legacy wouldn't even be a thing.

Sure things change, but what businesses are all about, making money, never changes. A cash shop at launch would have made them even more money, not simply adding one right now without any previous warning. Though the signs of a cash shop being inevitable were indeed always there, but more often than not were dismissed by a part of the community with the justification that being a P2P game and having a sub fee guaranteed such a thing would never happen. Strangely enough, some of those same people are now saying P2P games can't sustain themselves without a cash shop, so go figure.

Putting aside the fact that raising the sub fee that high would be a really bad business decision because it would be well above the global standard MMO fee, if they did announce it well in advance and not just a single week before the change, sure go ahead with it.

[Amateru]

They could implement another subscription course.
Now we have 4 I think? Cheaper Legacy, one world 1 character, one world 8 characters and the last one plus retainers.
5th one could be more expensive every month with all shop items already included.

Now that Cash Shop in unavoidable I would choose the 5th option.(-ω-)/

This way everyone would be happy?ヽ( ﾟ 3ﾟ)ﾉ

[Negotiator]

oh we got some attention. It relates to the other thread. http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/10...for-patch-2-4/

[reillyblair]

one word greed thanks enix

[NozomiKei]

I mean... if you go to a restaurant and pay for a meal - you expect what's included in the meal. An extra side of beans will cost extra. Because it's not included in the meal.

Just because they have the side of beans already cooked hot-and-ready and you paid for a meal doesn't mean you can have extra beans without paying more.

Not getting extra beans doesn't reduce the amount of food in the meal you paid for - and it doesn't take anything away.
The restaurant doesn't owe you a free side of beans just because you paid for a meal and saw they had some beans and wanted beans even though beans aren't part of the meal you paid for.

Cash shop is the extra side of beans.


Beans.




edit: Beans!

Except we're paying for a meal (that includes beans on the menu) and when they bring us our plate it is missing the beans. When we ask about it they inform us that we now need to buy those beans again before we can have them. Some people may not care at all for beans and just let it go, some people treasure those beans and want to eat nothing but beans all the live long day. Whether or not you care for beans though they are still not giving them to you. The people that don't care about the side of beans keep up their chant of "as long as it isn't the meat I don't care what they withhold." Those missing beans for the bean lovers are the meat lovers missing meat.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

I'm not going to read through 130+ pages of posts, so forgive me if this was already mentioned.

The extra retainers at $2/mo tacked on to the subscription was already pay to win (as you pay real money to gain an in game advantage). Adding vanity items to the crysta store, or perhaps its some in game microtransaction thing (however they plan on doing it) is really a step back away from pay to win, though not a very large one (as they're still keeping the extra retainers).

And no, the storage space on retainers does not make them pay to win - it is the retainer ventures that makes them pay to win. You get the advantage of having additional retainers to send out for random stuff, or even selected stuff, that other players not paying for it do not have. Its not exactly a large degree of power, but it passes the test of *any* power at all.

[tocsin]

Except we're paying for a meal (that includes beans on the menu) and when they bring us our plate it is missing the beans. When we ask about it they inform us that we now need to buy those beans again before we can have them. Some people may not care at all for beans and just let it go, some people treasure those beans and want to eat nothing but beans all the live long day. Whether or not you care for beans though they are still not giving them to you. The people that don't care about the side of beans keep up their chant of "as long as it isn't the meat I don't care what they withhold." Those missing beans for the bean lovers are the meat lovers missing meat.

(Assuming "Meat" is time spent completing content, such as farming primals, and "Beans" as vanity gear.)

Its actually like ordering a meal that does not specify whether beans are included or not, but since it has in the past included beans with the meal, you assumed that the meal would always include beans. The restaurant has now decided that including the beans free of charge were cutting the profit margins of the meal too close, and decided that placing the beans on a separate menu would be more cost efficient, so that if people wanted to just get beans, without having to get meat with it, they could get just the beans, for an individual price.

add that the beans were only placed on the table after consuming the meat, and vegetarians who could not or did not want to consume the meat were not allowed to consume the beans. they can now access it when they could not before

Although this does mean that you get less on your plate for the original meal price, it makes the beans much more accessible, and appeals to the vegetarians that were used to having to buy the meat, and then not consume it, just to get to the beans.

I like this restaurant logic. It makes me think of food, and as a resident "fat man gamer" I like food.