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  1. #1371
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    Quote Originally Posted by NozomiKei View Post
    Except we're paying for a meal (that includes beans on the menu) and when they bring us our plate it is missing the beans. When we ask about it they inform us that we now need to buy those beans again before we can have them. Some people may not care at all for beans and just let it go, some people treasure those beans and want to eat nothing but beans all the live long day. Whether or not you care for beans though they are still not giving them to you. The people that don't care about the side of beans keep up their chant of "as long as it isn't the meat I don't care what they withhold." Those missing beans for the bean lovers are the meat lovers missing meat.
    This is the best comparison of this case I have seen so far, GJ. Some people really need to understand that many players are not after stats but looks. And exactly these players will be discriminated by cash shop.

    Quote Originally Posted by tocsin View Post
    Its actually like ordering a meal that does not specify whether beans are included or not, but since it has in the past included beans with the meal, you assumed that the meal would always include beans. The restaurant has now decided that including the beans free of charge were cutting the profit margins of the meal too close, and decided that placing the beans on a separate menu would be more cost efficient, so that if people wanted to just get beans, without having to get meat with it, they could get just the beans, for an individual price.

    I like this restaurant logic. It makes me think of food, and as a resident "fat man gamer" I like food.
    Yeah, but they ask the same price for the meal even without the beans. Plus people ordering that food and paying for it before they get it will never know, what will be missing next time they get their meal.
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  2. #1372
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrejdaTom View Post
    This is the best comparison of this case I have seen so far, GJ. Some people really need to understand that many players are not after stats but looks. And exactly these players will be discriminated by cash shop.



    Yeah, but they ask the same price for the meal even without the beans. Plus people ordering that food and paying for it before they get it will never know, what will be missing next time they get their meal.
    actually, I just thought abvout this food logic even further. my stomach just rumbled.

    add to mine that the beans were only placed on the table after consuming the meat, and vegetarians who could not or did not want to consume the meat were not allowed to consume the beans. they can now access it when they could not before.
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  3. #1373
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    Quote Originally Posted by tocsin View Post
    actually, I just thought abvout this food logic even further. my stomach just rumbled.

    add to mine that the beans were only placed on the table after consuming the meat, and vegetarians who could not or did not want to consume the meat were not allowed to consume the beans. they can now access it when they could not before.
    To access the beans (vanity stuff), vegetarians had to pay for the meat (subscription) anyways. Now they have to pay for the meat plus for the beans too. They cannot buy just the beans, because without paying for meat they would not let them to the restaurant.
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  4. #1374
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrejdaTom View Post
    To access the beans (vanity stuff), vegetarians had to pay for the meat (subscription) anyways. Now they have to pay for the meat plus for the beans too. They cannot buy just the beans, because without paying for meat they would not let them to the restaurant.
    oh! I was viewing the "Meat" as content to be completed. Time farming primals and such. you know, Time that not everyone wants to spend, or cannot spend, such as vegetariians and meat.

    updated my post.

    This also makes sense, as "Vegetarians" are in the real world more upscale citizens, with more cash to burn to suit their more specific diet. so it makes sense to make beans an upcharge, available as a separate meal, since the target demographic has money to spend for it.
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    Last edited by tocsin; 10-24-2014 at 08:10 PM.

  5. #1375
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    Quote Originally Posted by tocsin View Post
    This also makes sense, as "Vegetarians" are in the real world more upscale citizens, with more cash to burn to suit their more specific diet. so it makes sense to make beans an upcharge, available as a separate meal, since the target demographic has money to spend for it.
    We're also the poor uni students who can only afford to eat rice and potatoes 'cause we spend too much on our internet and game subs ;___;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich View Post
    We're also the poor uni students who can only afford to eat rice and potatoes 'cause we spend too much on our internet and game subs ;___;
    #studentbudget ; ; I know your pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich View Post
    We're also the poor uni students who can only afford to eat rice and potatoes 'cause we spend too much on our internet and game subs ;___;
    I also know your pain. Ramen noodle diets!
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    Wow this has started to get strange with all the food stuff I want to have a go.

    I view it a little differently, the subscription isn't paying for the meat or the beans, it's for the seat at the table.

    Until recently every seat came with a free meal of meat and beans, now for whatever reason they have decided to remove the beans but don't worry you can pay extra for them, XD

    Makes me wonder if the next move is to replace the meat with soya and offer real meat at a premium.
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  9. #1379
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadray View Post
    Wow this has started to get strange with all the food stuff I want to have a go.

    I view it a little differently, the subscription isn't paying for the meat or the beans, it's for the seat at the table.

    Until recently every seat came with a free meal of meat and beans, now for whatever reason they have decided to remove the beans but don't worry you can pay extra for them, XD

    Makes me wonder if the next move is to replace the meat with soya and offer real meat at a premium.
    What are you talking about? Nothing is being removed. :l Some vanity will be available via the CS, others in-game. They aren't being taken away.
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  11. #1380
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle View Post
    What are you talking about? Nothing is being removed. :l Some vanity will be available via the CS, others in-game. They aren't being taken away.
    There's no way to know whats being "taken away", but its pretty obvious some things are.

    We have no way to know what items would have been put in game as part of our sub, and those that will now be made simply for the cash shop to make a buck.

    With the ROI so much higher on cash shop items, there's far, FAR less incentive to make new content to support cool new items in game.

    Why pay a team of 20 for weeks to design a dungeon with a cool drop when you can pay just a couple people for a couple weeks to design a mount, put it up for sale at $20 and make $10-20 million in no time?

    SE is trying too hard to be WoW... and failing.
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