Hey, Sincerely Thank You SE for easing up on Coil

[Audacity]

So you not only insult the player, but now you are off insulting their friends. It is obvious you treat all other players as fodder and take them for granted. Good friends don't have to be high ilevel geared or doing end game raids. They can be 3 start crafters, or a green sprout trying to get to their first 50. They do have the time, but they are not at the stage where is aligns with your interests, that doesn't mean you should abandon your friends.

Are you serious? lol

If you have gone this long without getting a T5 win and your friends flat out refuse to help you because they can't take 10 measly minutes of their time to take you through an easy fight, They're really bad friends.

Could you kindly point out where I insulted the person I quoted? because from what I see I only offered them some advice.

[NyarukoW]

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Could you kindly point out where I insulted the person I quoted? because from what I see I only offered them some advice.

You said yourself:

Yeah, so some shitty friends then.

You are insulting the player and their friends. BTW, you are NOT giving advice. I bet you get into arguments in low level dungeons with newbies all the time with attitude for advice like that, and then turn around and say they don't listen or take advice.

Here is the real advice. The people with experience and clears need to be more open to taking on newer players and newbies and helping them learn and earn their clear. This is what the community needs to do, to come together and help everyone make progress. But instead we have clear seller motivating RMTs. And furthemore we have people that deliberately wants to keep the barriers high on older content so they continue to fund the gil sellers and RMTs

[Audacity]

You said yourself:


You are insulting the player and their friends.

Nope.

/10char.

[LiveVoltage]

The friends maybe... not me though.

Not everyone holds the same interests. Some play the game for fun, others take it seriously for endgame and crafts. others are RP people who just like to be able to role play with others. Everyone holds different interests. This shouldn't bare them all from having access to the same content if they choose to do it and being able to beat it. The content should still be difficult but not on the current scale it is. It just needs a little nerf is all. Nothing to big that would break the fight and make it easy.

[Audacity]

Here is the real advice. The people with experience and clears need to be more open to taking on newer players and newbies and helping them learn and earn their clear. This what the community needs to do, to come together and help everyone make progress. But instead we have clear seller motivating RMTs. And furthemore we have people that deliberately wants to keep the barriers high on older content so they continue to fund the gil sellers and RMTs

Which Is EXACTLY the advice I gave the person I quoted.

If you have friends who can't be bothered to help you, Go find a group that will.

This is getting painful replying to you now. -.-;

[YakushiHinata]

Now now, lets not turn this into a flame war over who got better friends or not.
Looking over some details about the nerfing of SCoB like the T2, if you get hit by voice or shriek you no longer die when being hit. If thats the case wont it make the content harder, in the way that if you face the party or the MT of the group and you get the next voice rotation. Unless you are on voice com, how will you be able to type fast enough "hej I got voice, move from my LoS" and then if you are unlucky and get the short-voice which last 5-6 seconds, type warning and then people who might not notice you have voice need time to react.

[NyarukoW]

This is getting painful replying to you now. -.-;

No you are the difficult one. You don't give advice you insult people.

Which Is EXACTLY the advice I gave the person I quoted.
If you have friends who can't be bothered to help you, Go find a group that will.

And you are still insulting their friends. You are accusing them of "not bothering to help". Their friends want to help, but they can not. And even for friends who raid and have the skill and experience, they can not help, if they are already in a static for SCOB, they will be pissing off their other friends in the static if they clear a turn with a non static member, because they would be locked too.

The remark to "Go find a group that will" is irresponsible and hurtful. When you look on the PF for the group, all you see the recruiting for people with cleared experience or no newbies wanted etc. How is anyone supposed to get a clear when they do not have one already?

Reducing the content difficulty will indirectly reduce the barrier to people getting a group. And even then T5 on the PF are usually parties asking for people with T5 clears no myth bonus, with the occassional clear party know divebombs PF. We need people to be more inclusive and not exclude people without prior clears.

[Audacity]

So how dare I insult people who won't help their friends, but yet you say more people need to do it and that's why they're not clearing Turn 5?

[Skeith-Adeline]

If there is an easier version of Coil, let no loot drop. Give some incentive to the players that... I don't know, communicate and know their roles and battles enough to clear said coil.

[NyarukoW]

So how dare I insult people who won't help their friends, but yet you say more people need to do it and that's why they're not clearing Turn 5?

I don't know about you, but insulting people does NOT work at all to get them to do anything. Where as reducing the barriers and difficulty like what SE has done and what SE will do for BCOB will help somewhat. I do not know why people are so upset about SCOB being made more accessible with final coil to take its place.

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Out of posts.. darn:

Just to prove it's not impossible in PF.

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I've helped people 1-shot T5. I know it is not impossible. But the odds of getting group is so low that you need to wait weeks upon weeks to get that clear for 1 person. That is the problem. I've been trying to help people in my FC get T5 clears, but even that is crap shoot, because we often need to PF a couple of other players, or schedules don't line up, the person that needs it is not on or vice versa or the tank is missing or both healers logged off for the night. Getting the group is actually harder than Twin, Raffy, Melusine, Avatar and Nael combined.

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... Because we try to be helpful to our friends. You don't need in game rewards to help your friends. Just kindness. You need better friends.

I am the friend that is trying to help my FC members. But you can't do it with just 5 to 7 of us. And you better not put that PF up there asking for cleared only because they will start raging when the one member will trigger a myth bonus message. So your PF will be stuck there waiting, often you can wait and it never fills. Or if it does fill, it wipes a few times and people still rage quit or lag start creeping in on someone seeing that red DC symbol show up with increasing frequency. Getting the group is the harder part.