Hey, Sincerely Thank You SE for easing up on Coil

[YakushiHinata]

I am gonna have to disagree with easying up on the coil mechanics and how fight works, that said I dont really mind that they add echo since its a buff you can remove yourself if you want to experience the fight how it was intended back in the day.

This game is very casual, how would you feel if say you were struggling with something, after weeks or even months of working with a team of friends finally beating that content, that feeling, the excitement, then you meet a person who beat it after its nerf'd and have no sense of accomplishment but walking around with same loot drops as you.

This game got alot of content that caters to the casual and average player, coil is the only hardcore content and some people play just for raiding purposes, and when someone who got 90% of the game to enjoy themself with, Crystal Tower, Zodiac relic quests etc, now coming over and asking to make story-mode Coil, is like Orphan Oliver asking "May I have some more?".

[TeaTimeBear]

This game is very casual, how would you feel if say you were struggling with something, after weeks or even months of working with a team of friends finally beating that content, that feeling, the excitement, then you meet a person who beat it after its nerf'd and have no sense of accomplishment but walking around with same loot drops.

To be honest with you, those struggling now will struggle even after the nerf; unless they completely water down the fights ala AK style. If you don't know any of the mechanics you're not progressing anywhere. It will still require time to learn how the fights work.

[Kashiro_Mayuri]

To be honest with you, those struggling now will struggle even after the nerf; unless they completely water down the fights ala AK style. If you don't know any of the mechanics you're not progressing anywhere. It will still require time to learn how the fights work.

Agreed. The people who're struggling now will only be happy when they get a version that's basically a pushover. I understand that SE wants to make older coil turns more accessible to casual players by slamming the echo on it, but that's just a lazy way of doing it.

[YakushiHinata]

To be honest with you, those struggling now will struggle even after the nerf. Unless they completely water down the fights ala AK style. If you don't know any of the mechanics you're not progressing anywhere. It will still require time to learn how the fights work.

I am like many others who play this game to also enjoy a good story and dont like feeling left behind on content, but I dont want content to get easier just so I can breeze my way through story without learning important mechanics, that might teach you how to deal better with future mechanics. Good example for that is the BCoB Turn 2 were more and more people use enrage isntead of dealing with the mechanics of Allagan Rot debuff.
I feel that if they make things too easy it would hurt alot of people that say queue up in DF to expect maybe some good progress but end up with people who breezed through content and might expect it to be just as easy and enter content with that mindset.

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

This game is very casual, how would you feel if say you were struggling with something, after weeks or even months of working with a team of friends finally beating that content, that feeling, the excitement, then you meet a person who beat it after its nerf'd and have no sense of accomplishment but walking around with same loot drops as you.

Except you'll have your Final Coil gear soon enough, so what does it matter?

This game got alot of content that caters to the casual and average player, coil is the only hardcore content and some people play just for raiding purposes, and when someone who got 90% of the game to enjoy themself with, Crystal Tower, Zodiac relic quests etc, now coming over and asking to make story-mode Coil, is like Orphan Oliver asking "May I have some more?".

Oh man, you didn't just compare yourself with one of the most famously cruel characters in all of English Literature, did you? Oh my god, you did. /laugh Careful you might end up in the same boat as us pauper casuals some day.

[YakushiHinata]

Except you'll have your Final Coil gear soon enough, so what does it matter?

Oh man, you didn't just compare yourself with one of the most famously cruel characters in all of English Literature, did you? Oh my god, you did. /laugh Careful you might end up in the same boat as us pauper casuals some day.

I guess it doesnt really "matter" but same time it does for me, to look back and see all the hardwork I put into it to clear it, the rewards I got to prove it.

I knew this would spark some reactions, and you might be right, I can end up in the same boat and not have a good static that clear content somewhat first. Guess I can say Im blessed to be with a good FC and static of friends that share same mindset of clearing hard content so I wouldnt start to worry just yet.
Like I said before, I dont mind they add echo, but I dont like they nerf mechanics.

[odintius]

I guess it doesnt really "matter" but same time it does for me, to look back and see all the hardwork I put into it to clear it, the rewards I got to prove it.

You'll have those same feelings after every patch its superiority complex really you clear something you consider hard to watch someone maybe casual be given a chance to clear, because they have different type of gaming style of entertainment mind set then yours is its understandable both valid style of gaming though but since it in a online game they clash.

[YakushiHinata]

You'll have those same feelings after every patch its superiority complex really you clear something you consider hard to watch someone maybe casual be given a chance to clear, because they have different type of gaming style of entertainment mind set then yours is its understandable both valid style of gaming though but since it in a online game they clash.

I guess you can say for me its more of a sentimental value of effort? Not sure how to explain it. I want people to experience content the way it was intended to be experience and reward with same things I was.
I dont judge people for having a different play style than me, everyone should have equal chance at the content. When we do clash is when someone feel stuff should be nerfed down before they bother putting the effort into it. I know there are people out there that do put the effort into it but dont have a static or simply meet bad groups in DF because "reasons".

[odintius]

I guess you can say for me its more of a sentimental value of effort? Not sure how to explain it. I want people to experience content the way it was intended to be experience and reward with same things I was.
I dont judge people for having a different play style than me, everyone should have equal chance at the content. When we do clash is when someone feel stuff should be nerfed down before they bother putting the effort into it. I know there are people out there that do put the effort into it but dont have a static or simply meet bad groups in DF because "reasons".

I agree I'm kinda in the boat of finding a group and stuck with Duty Finder when I do get time I do check party finder or try a learning group and currently on turn 5 myself. Mostly atm I'm try to get practice in when time allows, but people patience with each other in this game for most part is very poor standards to be frank.

[Domira]

I guess it doesnt really "matter" but same time it does for me, to look back and see all the hardwork I put into it to clear it, the rewards I got to prove it.

I knew this would spark some reactions, and you might be right, I can end up in the same boat and not have a good static that clear content somewhat first. Guess I can say Im blessed to be with a good FC and static of friends that share same mindset of clearing hard content so I wouldnt start to worry just yet.
Like I said before, I dont mind they add echo, but I dont like they nerf mechanics.

It seems much of the issue with the coils nerf is that players use the difficulty as a sense of measuring their worth against other players. The question is, why even worry about what other players do in the first place? So what, more people may be able to complete coils. But what does this have to do with you directly? Or furthermore how does them completing it infringe upon your game experience? Most of the new people who will complete it, you will never know and more than likely never even spoke to them.

This reply isn't directed towards you only but everyone who has a problem with other people doing something they have done. There is a reason why many casuals refer to this as elitism, while I don't agree with how the term is being utilized but the reality is they aren't too far off. The hardcore raider may say they are elitist because they completed hard content that the average player never tried to learn or understand. Sounds fair. But I'd say the hardcore player spends to much of their time worrying about what others do in relation to them.