Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[NyarukoW]

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The majority have time for coil. ..

But that means they won't have time to craft, role play, socialize, hunt, atma, or do help their friends and FC members. Everyone playing has time for something, but they don't have time for everything, and they shouldn't have to prioritize one over the other, and that should NOT stop them accessing the latest content.

they just don't want to put time into it because they know soon or later SE will spoonfeed them

SE is not spoon feeding them. SE is making it so that if they put in a a little bit of effort they will get access to the new content. SE is within its rights and is really smart about setting that access level. They are not getting HA gear without setting foot in SCOB. And beside people that cleared T9 still have a head start on final coil anyways.

[hallena]

But that means they won't have time to craft, role play, socialize, hunt, atma, or do help their friends and FC members. Everyone playing has time for something, but they don't have time for everything, and they shouldn't have to prioritize one over the other, and that should NOT stop them accessing the latest content.

Where they allocate their time is none of my business. However if they choose to not put time into coil then you don't do coil. I'm not putting time into crafting yet you don't see me creating thread left and right asking SE to reduce the amount of xp and time it take to reach 50. I don't put time into desynth yet i don't make thread about desynthesis being too hard to do. I'm not putting time into any of these thing but atleast i'm not trying to diminish your previous achievement and what it take to reach your level.

If i want to reach 50 in every crafting job aswell as 100 desynth in some of them you bet i will go through the pain everyone else went through

[ReplicaX]

Just tossing this out there for everyone.

2.0 August 27, 2013: 1st Coil Release (Game Release)
2.2 March 27, 2014: 2nd Coil Release
2.4 October 28th, 2014: Final Coil Release

7 months / 28 weeks of 1st Coil before 2nd Released (Game Release to 7th Month)
7 months / 28 weeks of 2nd Coil before Final Released

[Elim]

The majority have time for coil. they just don't want to put time into it

I actually agree with this wholeheartedly.

I've got friends who say things like, "I don't have time to do x content in the game". As they say this they've already been playing the game for three hours straight or more. What they really mean is, "I rather spend my time on other things in the game." or, "I'm too lazy." They will never admit to the latter of course, because they enjoy playing the victim "I can't" card for sympathy from others.

Not that I care about coil 2 getting echo. I knew it was happening and accepted it long ago.

[NyarukoW]

... I'm not putting time into crafting yet you don't see me creating thread left and right asking SE to reduce the amount of xp and time it take to reach 50. ...

But you forget that they added 3x repeatable leves. And then added Ixal EXP super bonus for crafter leveling. They also added artisan tools, and then supra tools. They have made the same adjustments just with different means since crafting is different from raids. And while you may not complain or pay attention to it, other players have complained. Whether complaints are justified or now it is whole other issue. But SE making the game more accessible is SE doing the right thing both by the player base and for their business. New content is like having a new race so a new starting line. Complaining about SE making the game accessible via making older content more accessible is not a valid complaint.

[hallena]

But you forget that they added 3x repeatable leves. And then added Ixal EXP super bonus for crafter leveling. They also added artisan tools, and then supra tools. They have made the same adjustments just with different means since crafting is different from raids. And while you may not complain or pay attention to it, other players have complained. Whether complaints are justified or now it is whole other issue. But SE making the game more accessible is SE doing the right thing both by the player base and for their business. Complaining about SE making the game more accessible is not a valid complaint.

I may be missinformed but i'm pretty sure 3x repeatables leves has always been there. As for the artisan tools they are the equivalent of echo or just flat out item level increase every 2 major patch.
As for complaining about accessibility not being a valid complain, It's not true. Exclusivity is not bad as long as you don't abuse it like wildstar. The game where purple dungeon loots were hidden behind impossible gold medal dungeon runs. Raids being locked behind a massive attunement grind and gear costing dozen of platinum simply to rune it. The game where you needed 20(40) good players in a static to raid.
In ffxiv all you need is 8 players and the ability to kill a boss you already outgear

[odintius]

I actually agree with this wholeheartedly.

I've got friends who say things like, "I don't have time to do x content in the game". As they say this they've already been playing the game for three hours straight or more. What they really mean is, "I rather spend my time on other things in the game." or, "I'm too lazy." They will never admit to the latter of course, because they enjoy playing the victim "I can't" card for sympathy from others.

Not that I care about coil 2 getting echo. I knew it was happening and accepted it long ago.

So one friend= entire community I believe it might be bit more diverse then what you imagine it to be and not as simple based off one person comments thanks. It called having different types of gamer not everyone into over top mechanic either some people do have learning curbs you might not other might not doesn't mean it isn't true. Certain mechanics may turn people off everyones different and it's hard to please everyone based on that diversity of what a challege means to a gamer. But I understand its way more easier to lump everyone into the same category though simple minded people tend to do that.

[Tiggy]

But you forget that they added 3x repeatable leves. And then added Ixal EXP super bonus for crafter leveling. They also added artisan tools, and then supra tools. They have made the same adjustments just with different means since crafting is different from raids. And while you may not complain or pay attention to it, other players have complained. Whether complaints are justified or now it is whole other issue. But SE making the game more accessible is SE doing the right thing both by the player base and for their business. New content is like having a new race so a new starting line. Complaining about SE making the game accessible via making older content more accessible is not a valid complaint.

You really missed the point. The point wasn't that they added stuff to help crafting at all. It's that she doesn't go around begging for hand outs and openly accepts that somethings she hasn't done yet may be tough and time consuming when she finally does. Also, they add new crafting and gathering stuff every 3 months. The "new" tier is a more consistently moving bar than coil so it's going to be upgraded at a faster pace to match. If she decided to level a craft to three starts today she'd have to take nearly every crafter to 50, fully meld a gear set, gather/create the items for foragers, and then spend the boat loads of gil on the Supra.

However let's discuss you're examples. 3x repeatable leves were there from the beginning and were only tweaked in a patch that didn't change their rewards that drastically so that changes very little in the long run. The Ixal only has 6 quests a day so it doesn't change much if she's trying to bum rush to 50 in all crafts quickly as it's mainly effective if you want to slowly level your craft over a few weeks. You also list the Supra and Foragers tools. Those tools you listed actually make getting to max crafter harder not easier since it's additional work on top of getting the classes to 50. So do you even know what you're talking about? It doesn't seem like you do. Getting a craft to 3 stars from nothing is a considerable time and money investment. In my opinion you could easily down T1-9 in a group at a quicker pace than starting all that from scratch.

[Audacity]

So one friend= entire community I believe it might be bit more diverse then what you imagine it to be and not as simple based off one person comments thanks. It called having different types of gamer not everyone into over top mechanic either some people do have learning curbs you might not other might not doesn't mean it isn't true. Certain mechanics may turn people off everyones different and it's hard to please everyone based on that diversity of what a challege means to a gamer. But I understand its way more easier to lump everyone into the same category though simple minded people tend to do that.

If you're not into dealing with mechanics, Don't do coil, Simple. Just because there's story behind it it doesn't entitle the fight to be handed to you on a silver platter.

[Magis]

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More like everyone says the same excuse of "having a life", when people who do coil "also have said life". The excuse falls flat when those who were able to clear coil have to deal with family, school, work, etc. Our main tank works in construction and has a family. A lot of our players have school to deal with (which is why we limit our runs to 2-3 times a week). I myself have a 9-5 job which pushes me into OT sometimes. It's about partitioning time and having the will to push through coil. If you can't do that, that's ok! You have other activities like ST, Relic, and the soldiery grind. Coil is for those who want to push through hard content, this is why "it's suppose to be hard".

You want to do coil, while it has been stripped of what makes it coil. The mechanics is what makes coil "hard". Damage is negligible since we are all overgeared this patch due to hunts anyway. It comes down to executing the fight properly. Heck, if they do the echo buff only, it can cause EVEN MORE problems, since this over damaging is causing weird phase changes.