Cash shop confirmed

[Vaer]

So with a cash shop we can look forward to no real content updates for an entire year? Just more cash shop stuff.

1/10

Yeah, no. The reason that game had no content update for an entire year was because they screwed up the planning while they were preparing the expac.

Now let's say SE really wanted to push this cash shop. Guess what, the new halloween outfit, barding, earring could have been in the cash shop. But it isn't.

[Fizzie]

I'm really conflicted about it. I mean, on the one hand, it'll be nice for players to be able to get hold of items they'd missed in the past, but these could just as easily be offered in-game. And I fully understand that those who don't want to buy things don't have to, but then again, they'll be offering cash shop exclusives, so it'll be a case of pay up or miss out.

And, personally, I don't think a cash shop has any place in a game where we're already paying monthly for the content anyway.

[Tupsi]

And, personally, I don't think a cash shop has any place in a game where we're already paying monthly for the content anyway.

Mog Station. Fantasias. Extra Retainers.

Been here for months and you've likely played since at least 2.3.

[Tsunenori]

Well damn. Someone finally guessed the entire theme of this thread. /cookie

That's it then, go home folks.

Not sure if positive reply or negative. Still, while I admit that 99 pages is a bit much to read through, I think I have a fairly decent idea of the types of conversations had in here. People are right to be wary of it I think, because there are plenty of companies that have milked customers for all they're worth using cash shops over the past few years. It's a trend that is probably still going to get a bit worse before it gets better. We're in a weird period where everyone is trying to figure out the best way to handle it, and I think some companies do a better job than others.

Across however many threads at this point one tends to see the same kinds of replies, even where the cash shop isn't in the discussion at first. "Oh, sorry but that'll cost ______ in the cash shop." Personally I'd rather wait and see where they want to go with it first before assuming that I'll have to pay money for every little thing in the game. I've spoken to others I play with as well and the response is mostly the same. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind with this necessarily, but rather just doing what everyone else here has and giving my opinion.

[Tupsi]

Not sure if positive reply or negative. Still, while I admit that 99 pages is a bit much to read through, I think I have a fairly decent idea of the types of conversations had in here.

Tl;dr version:

Against: "No P2P MMO should have a Cash Shop, I mean, look at all of the MMOs that milk players with game breaking items. I forgot to mention these are F2P and Pay to Win MMORPGs and never has happened in a P2P MMO before."

For: "Eh, doesn't bother me I just won't use it as I can still play the game just fine."

Neutral/Don't Care: "Let's wait and see what happens."

Against: "WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THEY WILL SELL GAME BREAKING ITEMS! THEY WILL TAKE CONTENT OUT OF THE GAME TO RESELL IT TO YOU! HOW ARE YOU OK WITH THIS?"

Rinse and Repeat for 99 pages.

[Vhailor]

Mog Station. Fantasias. Extra Retainers.

Been here for months and you've likely played since at least 2.3.

I will point out that these are "extras" that we've grown used to paying for, collectively, which renders them naturally less offensive to the average player. However, the fact that there currently exist things such as Fantasia or extra Retainers does not in and of itself justify the addition of further micro-charges.

There are a couple of valid arguments in favour of a cash shop, but this isn't one of them - and your implication that it's completely harmless is patently absurd.

[Asierid]

I will point out that these are "extras" that we've grown used to paying for, collectively, which renders them naturally less offensive to the average player. However, the fact that there currently exist things such as Fantasia or extra Retainers does not in and of itself justify the addition of further micro-charges.

There are a couple of valid arguments in favour of a cash shop, but this isn't one of them - and your implication that it's completely harmless is patently absurd.

Wait a minute. We got used to buying those, they don't count?

That logic is totally backwards.

[TravelerX1]

Can't we talk about the price of personal housing or the lack of districts?
LOLs

[Vhailor]

Wait a minute. We got used to buying those, they don't count?

That logic is totally backwards.

For the purposes of determining the potential outrage of the community, no, they clearly don't count.

However, in fact they're a perfect example of what happens when people meekly accept microcharges for content that should have been available via alternative means.

There's no reason why adding two additional Retainers shouldn't have been a quest line coupled with a chunk of gil. There's no reason why Fantasia shouldn't have been available via one or two one-time quests, as well as via a chunk of gil. These would be undeniably better options from the player's perspective. Instead, SE arguably withheld, intentionally, features that could have been contained within the game world as a part of our monthly sub, purely to charge money for them.

This just highlights the fact that if things start off small, and reasonable-sounding, and are around long enough, people adapt and stop complaining. This is precisely one of the fears that people have about the cash shop - and rightly so. We already can see evidence of it, within FFXIV itself.

[Starlord]

Tl;dr version:

Against: "No P2P MMO should have a Cash Shop, I mean, look at all of the MMOs that milk players with game breaking items. I forgot to mention these are F2P and Pay to Win MMORPGs and never has happened in a P2P MMO before."

For: "Eh, doesn't bother me I just won't use it as I can still play the game just fine."

Neutral/Don't Care: "Let's wait and see what happens."

Against: "WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THEY WILL SELL GAME BREAKING ITEMS! THEY WILL TAKE CONTENT OUT OF THE GAME TO RESELL IT TO YOU! HOW ARE YOU OK WITH THIS?"

Rinse and Repeat for 99 pages.

Man, I don't normally agree with you, but you hit the nail right on the head with everyone's reaction XD.