Very conflicted about the cash shop...

[Nimras]

Im getting tierd of reading all the posts about how vanity is useless so a CS is ok until they start selling battlegear or exp boosts. What, so its ok as long as they dont sell stuff you care about? Like this is some form of fps or other esport type game. I like collecting mounts and minions, its a big part of the game for me and now they're moving the best stuff into the CS.

Lets not forget, this isnt just any mount, its the Sleipnir! arguably the "Best" mount in game. To someone who collects this stuff i dont see how its not p2w, infact its worse. you cant even obtain it without paying.

[Fyce]

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Nothing in your post proves me that they were planning on releasing Sleipnir as a mount for every player. Even with Urth's battle. You are only speculating and taking out the worse case scenario to fit your argument... which rely on only one example, when I was talking about everything as a whole.

Besides, Ex "ponies" are not mainstream content. A lot of people just can't have them. Just look at the stats of the number of players having that mount, and tell me again about that "content available for the majority of players".

And by the way, regarding your last sentence, what I was telling you is to stop having a one-track mind.
I never said "cut content is good!". I actually said pretty much the opposite: if the cash shop can bring stuff especially developped for it, then it's good.

Do you honestly believe they don't make content as usual and then pick some items here and there and put them on the cash shop instead of the patch?

My point is: I've seen countless content especially made for cash shops because the demand was high enough. That content wouldn't have been made without the presence of the cash shops.

Indeed, there will be some cut content. But since that content is purely cosmetic, I don't care that much. People will buy the stuff they really want, and that's it.
Only a few minority of obsessive collectors will be annoyed.

In short terms: I won't cry because they put Sleipnir behind a pay wall. After all, the Ex ponies are already behind a "you must be a hardcore player to beat that content and farm like a pro to have your mount".
At least, in the former case, every player who want the mount can have it in exchange of a few bucks.



For further discussion, please talk with my Baby Bahamut. He'll be flying happily in my future Wind-up Entreprise, while I'll be on my Collector's Edition mount.

[Blackweaver]

Im getting tierd of reading all the posts about how vanity is useless so a CS is ok until they start selling battlegear or exp boosts. What, so its ok as long as they dont sell stuff you care about? Like this is some form of fps or other esport type game. I like collecting mounts and minions, its a big part of the game for me and now they're moving the best stuff into the CS.

Lets not forget, this isnt just any mount, its the Sleipnir! arguably the "Best" mount in game. To someone who collects this stuff i dont see how its not p2w, infact its worse. you cant even obtain it without paying.

Nah I am an RPer. I do care about vanity. However, I am alright with the cash shop. But I am against selling things that effect the chars stats or level. I don't want p2w. Ever.

[saeedaisspecial]

Nothing in your post proves me that they were planning on releasing Sleipnir as a mount for every player. Even with Urth's battle. You are only speculating and taking out the worse case scenario to fit your argument... which rely on only one example, when I was talking about everything as a whole.

Besides, Ex "ponies" are not mainstream content. A lot of people just can't have them. Just look at the stats of the number of players having that mount, and tell me again about that "content available for the majority of players".

And by the way, regarding your last sentence, what I was telling you is to stop having a one-track mind.
I never said "cut content is good!". I actually said pretty much the opposite: if the cash shop can bring stuff especially developped for it, then it's good.

There is no proof that it was always intended to be for the cash shop either, all we can do is speculate.
The fact is that come Urth's Fount release, there would be an avenue for obtaining it in game, however now it's an exclusive item to the cash shop, that avenue is closed off. This is a discussion that will have taken place while deciding if it should be in the cash shop or not. SE decided not to give players an avenue to obtaining the item in game at all.
Your views on Extreme ponies aside, everyone has an equal opportunity to get them, there is nothing in the way stopping any player from attempting the Extremes, player skill aside, everyone has the same options for obtaining it. Where as a cash shop mount such as Sliepnir removes the opportunity for a fair chance at it because there is no fair way for players to obtain it in game, only those with expendable cash outside of game.

[Erudain]

Been there, done that...I've seen this "it's vanity only, it's okay" cash shop in far to many games...Aion, SWTOR, Tera, Rift, etc.

Spoiler alert: it never ended well...they kept putting more and more stuff in the cash shop, new mounts/pets/costumes were added to the shop directly....after they got the taste of ppl who bought those item they eventually added gameplay affecting items (then the excuse is "it's not P2W, it's just a commodity item".....might as well get ready for that).

So get ready to look back at this "it's vanity only" when they add shop stuff each month, while in-game vanity only every once in a while....or when ppl buys costume/mounts/pets in the cash shop and then sells them for millions gils in game...which is essencially just legalizing RMT....

[Gramul]

The subscription fee doesn't automatically entitle all players to use all FFXIV-related services and features free of additional charge.

Then what are you paying for? It was my understanding that I was paying for the game in full, and features like character and server changes where ultimately an outside fee to basely alter your main approach to the game, like if you where to change your gym subscription structure.

Are you familiar with this image or one of its many variations?

It's not the exact same concept for an MMO, but I hope it gets the idea across. They're asking you to pay more for content that would already be in the game in one way or another. This means they don't have to design content so you can unlock it and they get you to pay for it on top of the subscription fee.

It's less effort from them and more money from you. I can't see that as something to be supported.

[Magis]

Then what are you paying for? It was my understanding that I was paying for the game in full, and features like character and server changes where ultimately an outside fee to basely alter your main approach to the game, like if you where to change your gym subscription structure.

Are you familiar with this image or one of its many variations?

It's not the exact same concept for an MMO, but I hope it gets the idea across. They're asking you to pay more for content that would already be in the game in one way or another. This means they don't have to design content so you can unlock it and they get you to pay for it on top of the subscription fee.

It's less effort from them and more money from you. I can't see that as something to be supported.

Don't forget... ON DISC DLC. Ugh.

[Fyce]

Your views on Extreme ponies aside, everyone has an equal opportunity to get them, there is nothing in the way stopping any player from attempting the Extremes, player skill aside, everyone has the same options for obtaining it. Where as a cash shop mount such as Sliepnir removes the opportunity for a fair chance at it because there is no fair way for players to obtain it in game, only those with expendable cash outside of game.

That's the first time I see someone saying that the chances of getting rare end-game stuff would be equal between a hardcore gamer and a casual.
It's like saying that a quadriplegic man can win the same medal as Usain Bolt's one.

You're saying that there's nothing in the way of getting the red pony, Aithon? Well, I can at least think of one: countless hours of Ifrit Ex farming.
That's not something that everyone can do. Therefore, the chances are not "equal and fair".
Yes, everyone has to do the same thing to get it. But it doesn't mean that everyone will succeed at doing so, or even be able to try doing it in the first place (and that's fine, but it's not the point).

On the other hand, the Cash Shop is open to all.

So, you really can't compare the two and saying that the "in-game" way of getting items is more "fair", because it's not.


Finally:

For further discussion, please talk with my Baby Bahamut. He'll be flying happily in my future Wind-up Entreprise, while I'll be on my Collector's Edition mount.

I would really like to read your thoughts about that.
If that's not obvious enough, I was implying that there's already content put behind pay walls. It just doesn't have the name "Cash Shop" on it.

Edit: I mean... why are you against Cash Shop items like mounts and minions while, in the meantime, you buy yourself the Collector Edition which does have exactly that?

[Mature]

I don't see the problem here. If is there use it throw your money if you want. If you not happy about it don't use it. End of

[HakuroDK]

I blame companies like Sony Online Entertainment and Electronic Arts for completely ruining the concept of what a cash shop is supposed to be and turning it into a bad word.

There's cosmetic stuff in a cash shop. So what?

It's not like all the gear now is ugly. Far from it. And I doubt, if you feel it is all ugly, that the cash shop will offer anything even remotely better. I mean, unless you really want to dress up as a very crappy looking ghost that is miraculously less glamourable than Odin's Armor, Herklaedi.

I just don't get it. If there's nothing to give players an edge and 99% of sought-after glamours will be in the game as items obtainable through means outside of a cash shop exclusively, why the hell not have a cash shop to stuff old event gear so we don't have to go through the same old song and dance with it over and over and over and over again. Lightning has struck three times and I only went along with it because that gear is otherwise unobtainable. The event is over. It is done. And I want it to be done forever. If all of those items were to be put up in the cash shop for people who did not participate in those events, then thank god Lightning would not have to strike a fourth time.

Is a cash shop seriously that bad of an idea that we have to get all up in arms and rage like children? Are we really going to throw a tantrum because you have to shell out a few bucks for a minion of Papalymo, which does absolutely nothing to benefit combat, crafting, gathering, or any other aspect of the game? How old are we?