Very conflicted about the cash shop...

[Blackweaver]

Im getting tierd of reading all the posts about how vanity is useless so a CS is ok until they start selling battlegear or exp boosts. What, so its ok as long as they dont sell stuff you care about? Like this is some form of fps or other esport type game. I like collecting mounts and minions, its a big part of the game for me and now they're moving the best stuff into the CS.

Lets not forget, this isnt just any mount, its the Sleipnir! arguably the "Best" mount in game. To someone who collects this stuff i dont see how its not p2w, infact its worse. you cant even obtain it without paying.

Nah I am an RPer. I do care about vanity. However, I am alright with the cash shop. But I am against selling things that effect the chars stats or level. I don't want p2w. Ever.

[Erudain]

Been there, done that...I've seen this "it's vanity only, it's okay" cash shop in far to many games...Aion, SWTOR, Tera, Rift, etc.

Spoiler alert: it never ended well...they kept putting more and more stuff in the cash shop, new mounts/pets/costumes were added to the shop directly....after they got the taste of ppl who bought those item they eventually added gameplay affecting items (then the excuse is "it's not P2W, it's just a commodity item".....might as well get ready for that).

So get ready to look back at this "it's vanity only" when they add shop stuff each month, while in-game vanity only every once in a while....or when ppl buys costume/mounts/pets in the cash shop and then sells them for millions gils in game...which is essencially just legalizing RMT....

[Mature]

I don't see the problem here. If is there use it throw your money if you want. If you not happy about it don't use it. End of

[Jandor]

Well... depending on the final implementation I might unsub.

Full disclosure, I barely play anymore anyway. I keep my sub running because I like to login occasionally and see what my friends are up to, maybe jump into some older content for fun, etc. it's barely worth keeping the sub going for to be honest, but I would have left it running basically indefinitely.

Cash shop though .

[HakuroDK]

I blame companies like Sony Online Entertainment and Electronic Arts for completely ruining the concept of what a cash shop is supposed to be and turning it into a bad word.

There's cosmetic stuff in a cash shop. So what?

It's not like all the gear now is ugly. Far from it. And I doubt, if you feel it is all ugly, that the cash shop will offer anything even remotely better. I mean, unless you really want to dress up as a very crappy looking ghost that is miraculously less glamourable than Odin's Armor, Herklaedi.

I just don't get it. If there's nothing to give players an edge and 99% of sought-after glamours will be in the game as items obtainable through means outside of a cash shop exclusively, why the hell not have a cash shop to stuff old event gear so we don't have to go through the same old song and dance with it over and over and over and over again. Lightning has struck three times and I only went along with it because that gear is otherwise unobtainable. The event is over. It is done. And I want it to be done forever. If all of those items were to be put up in the cash shop for people who did not participate in those events, then thank god Lightning would not have to strike a fourth time.

Is a cash shop seriously that bad of an idea that we have to get all up in arms and rage like children? Are we really going to throw a tantrum because you have to shell out a few bucks for a minion of Papalymo, which does absolutely nothing to benefit combat, crafting, gathering, or any other aspect of the game? How old are we?

[Peachy]

People have farmed primals for mounts, lvled crafts to make more vanity or cooler housing items, fished for hours to get water proof cotton for the elusive bikinis. For that person who set the goal, obtaining the item is winning. But now those potential hours of gameplay can be skipped by just buying it. That's nice for some of you who don't care about your rl money or people who are tired of grinding these things, but by limiting things players can play with you might lose subs as a side effect (not because of the cash shop) because the person who would've gone the extra mile for a collectable now is bored because he isn't a raider and the item he would've played to get is purchased in the shop.

With new vanity items being 3 star synth and new i70 GC gear costing 20x the amount of allied seals then the i90 gear its clear vanity is not the most casual content in this game. For some of us its a major part of our current fun. Saying its not pay to win is meaningless when winning in this game is an abstract concept. I win every day by logging in and having fun.

[QUOTE=Kiara;2514184][COLOR=blue]* Look at Capcom's STREET FIGHTER series: They've been selling TONS of bonus Costumes as Add On Packs for a while.

* Games like Grand Theft Auto, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, all the top Racing Games, etc., they all sell "More Cars! More Tracks! More Missions!" etc.

These games do not charge a subscription and most offer a single type of gameplay, this example is not even close to whats happening with a MMO that double dips.

[Kiara]

People have farmed primals for mounts, lvled crafts to make more vanity or cooler housing items, fished for hours to get water proof cotton for the elusive bikinis. For that person who set the goal, obtaining the item is winning. But now those potential hours of gameplay can be skipped by just buying it.

[COLOR=blue]* Look at Capcom's STREET FIGHTER series: They've been selling TONS of bonus Costumes as Add On Packs for a while.

* Games like Grand Theft Auto, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, all the top Racing Games, etc., they all sell "More Cars! More Tracks! More Missions!" etc.

These games do not charge a subscription and most offer a single type of gameplay, this example is not even close to whats happening with a MMO that double dips.

Hi Peachy,

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT advocating what SE is doing in the least. I agree it's not exactly the same, but there are many similarities:

Bonus Cars, Bonus Costumes / Secret Outfits, "Chibi / Big Head Mode," Extra Missions and more USED to be FREE content that was given out on most of the top Console Games via a "Secret Code" or clearing various content on the Hardest Difficulty (or doing some insane / grindy tasks).

But nowadays, Publishers are just piece-mealing it out and charging players for "DLC Packs" for all the stuff that used to be FREE. And there are still plenty of games that ship WITH the "Bonus / DLC Content" ON THE DISC ALREADY (ugh), so it was already on there, but you pay extra (on top of your $60.00 U.S. MSRP) to "unlock / buy" that Bonus Content.

Which is awful.

Just saying that, sadly, most games are going this way regardless of being an MMO or not.

[Synestra]

Daym! I really never tought vanity would be this important for so many players :O dont get me wrong tho i can totally see the issues in selling game in pieces(DLC's are cancers of todays gaming)but as long as it doesnt affect gameplay i dont personally see anything wrong with CS, now if SE would start to sell actual high-end gear sets then i would totally agree with this.

[16bitBounty]

Bottom line I won't be subscribing after the cash shop is released. I'll go play a free to play game with cash shop. Square-Enix and their double dipping policy is getting out of hand. Anyone defending them is an idiot, plain and simple. My subscription ends in March. I can go play other games (Tera) if I want a cash shop, better clothing design there anyway.

[MiniTofu]

Bottom line I won't be subscribing after the cash shop is released. I'll go play a free to play game with cash shop. Square-Enix and their double dipping policy is getting out of hand. Anyone defending them is an idiot, plain and simple. My subscription ends in March. I can go play other games (Tera) if I want a cash shop, better clothing design there anyway.

Must warn you, they took away armor customization. Right now it's all in one set per set of style. There is no piece by piece customization.