Cash shop confirmed

[Sho86]

There is nothing in it that will give anyone a huge advantage.

If we all knew for 100% certainty that it would stay this way forever then I don't think there would be as much gripe for it. Time and time again though in history of cash shops it shows, the more it works, the more they focus the game around it. Despite earlier claims that they would 'never make it pay to win' very few actually stick to that promise. How strongly of a pay to win varies with each game of course, but even a little is a very bitter taste.

[Moqi]

Don't like cash shop. Don't submit and buy. Let the wallet do the talking.

The problem is this doesn't work because we're already giving them money to make these items with our sub... even if no one were to buy them, they'd just sit at the cash shop accumulating virtual dust, it's not like SE would lose anything. They have no reason to get rid of the cash shop and put them in the game even if it turned out to be a total bust, because they win either way, they just win a little more if people buy them.

There is nothing in it that will give anyone a huge advantage.

It depends on your definition of advantage. Role players who buy vanity items are at an advantage, people who love to do contests have more outfits to pick from... not everything is about stats. And this is assuming they won't be tradeable/sellable, I'm not sure if they've specified it.

[saeedaisspecial]

I swear people are over reacting to this and blowing it way out of proportion. No one is forcing you to use the cash shop. There is nothing in it that will give anyone a huge advantage. I find it absolutely illogical that people actually think this is making the game pay 2 win..do you know what that even is? Play PWI or Vindictus. THAT is pay to win. People need to seriously calm down and just settle with this..if you dont like it..don't use it. No one is forcing you to.

This is not about P2W.
This is not about "just not buying it"
This is about content which would have had an avenue to being obtained in game being removed and sold in the cash shop, like the Odin mount.

[Tupsi]

What will really happen:

Dev: "Hey Yoshida, we've these two new designs to go with patch 2.x. I think that this one is really cool, though!"

Yoshi-P: "Alright, put that one in the cash shop to get people to buy it, and the ugly one for free in the game."

Because that happened with WoW, right?

[MrLeonheart]

This is not about P2W.
This is not about "just not buying it"
This is about content which would have had an avenue to being obtained in game being removed and sold in the cash shop, like the Odin mount.

IF IT OFFENDS YOU SO MUCH, LET YOUR SUB LAPSE

[Tupsi]

I find it funny that ppl are fine with pay for fantasia but voice against minion & mount !?

This - People were BEGGING SE to add Fantasias and will PAY FOR IT. Mogstation is already a cash-shop as it already sold cash-shop like items. So it's a successful social experiment that as long as you don't call it a cash shop, people are fine with.

I see what you did there, SE.

I think this might kill the game for me.

Serious question: Why didn't the selling of Fantasias kill the game for you? Or the selling of additional retainers which is far more game changing than a mount that does nothing special or minions that add nothing to the game?

[KirakunAUS]

The problem is this doesn't work because we're already giving them money to make these items with our sub... even if no one were to buy them, they'd just sit at the cash shop accumulating virtual dust, it's not like SE would lose anything. They have no reason to get rid of the cash shop and put them in the game even if it turned out to be a total bust, because they win either way, they just win a little more if people buy them.


It depends on your definition of advantage. Role players who buy vanity items are at an advantage, people who love to do contests have more outfits to pick from... not everything is about stats. And this is assuming they won't be tradeable/sellable, I'm not sure if they've specified it.

I don't see the problem. Let it collect virtual dust.
This is not some pokemon game where you need to collect them all and be a master pokemon trainer.

This is not about P2W.
This is not about "just not buying it"
This is about content which would have had an avenue to being obtained in game being removed and sold in the cash shop, like the Odin mount.

Sorry. Was this written in stone that this can be obtained in game.

[Moqi]

I don't see the problem. Let it collect virtual dust.

You said "let the wallet do the talking", but there's no talking to be had. "Don't like it, don't buy it" doesn't send any kind of message becuase we're funding this wether we buy them or not.

[Teirshin]

I swear people are over reacting to this and blowing it way out of proportion. No one is forcing you to use the cash shop. There is nothing in it that will give anyone a huge advantage. I find it absolutely illogical that people actually think this is making the game pay 2 win..do you know what that even is? Play PWI or Vindictus. THAT is pay to win. People need to seriously calm down and just settle with this..if you dont like it..don't use it. No one is forcing you to.

Its not P2W...now....

But anyone who thinks it wont go that way once SE sees just how much cash they can rake in on cosmetics alone is a fool.

[Erudain]

And thus it beggins....I've seen this "vanity only" cash shop in far to many games...Aion, SWTOR, Tera, Rift, etc.

Spoiler alert: it never ended well...they kept putting more and more stuff in the cash shop, eventually gameplay affecting items ("it's not P2W, it's just a commodity item.....might as well get ready for that excuse), people got mad, people left....games went F2P to survive.