Yoshi and Team treading that fine line

[Edli]

I want to see the Coil story, will never get to see it without it being more accessible.

They should not attach a story to the hardest fights of the game so people like you don't ruin it for others.

For you coil is about the story, for me is about the fights. The story is bleh IMO but the gameplay in there is great. The only place in the game apart from primals that keeps me engaged.

[Ellatrix]

I wish I understood logic...

WE WILL STILL BE RUNNING OLD COIL

Does caps help make that point clear? Coil2 isn't going to be suddenly abandoned. It's fun, will be running to gear out alt jobs, get gear for vanity, and also having fun with friends on unlocked content. Having it be trivialized into the dirt makes it not fun at all.

Just ask for your storymode that gives nothing, or go watch it on youtube. Stop trying to ruin fun fights.

[Fawkes]

Since SE talks about easing coil in terms of how many people have cleared it, I assume the number of people clearing it is enough of a minority that they feel like they have to step in and do something. You might think it's fine for them to just leave it like it is and have people who aren't good enough never progress though it, but this is an MMO and SE spends time and money developing content for it. If only a minority of players are finishing that content then it is bad content for an MMO. Their options would be to ease it or stop making content of that type and only make content that everyone can clear, otherwise they are wasting money by catering to a minority. So if you like ever having any hard fights at all you should be glad they are making them easier over time.

[Lillia]

WE WILL STILL BE RUNNING OLD COIL

Does caps help make that point clear? Coil2 isn't going to be suddenly abandoned. It's fun, will be running to gear out alt jobs, get gear for vanity, and also having fun with friends on unlocked content. Having it be trivialized into the dirt makes it not fun at all.

Just ask for your storymode that gives nothing, or go watch it on youtube. Stop trying to ruin fun fights.

You know... Savage is probably never gonna be nerfed no matter what they do to Coil 2, you do know that right? They WILL at least echo buff normal second coil. >_>

Edit: And for everyone who is saying that this is currently the hardest content in the game, that's wrong simply because Savage is a harder version of it. Making Second Coil of Bahamut (Savage) the hardest content currently and if anyone is really worried about achievement from beating the content they made Savage just for that.

[Kyri]

WE WILL STILL BE RUNNING OLD COIL

Does caps help make that point clear? Coil2 isn't going to be suddenly abandoned. It's fun, will be running to gear out alt jobs, get gear for vanity, and also having fun with friends on unlocked content. Having it be trivialized into the dirt makes it not fun at all.

Just ask for your storymode that gives nothing, or go watch it on youtube. Stop trying to ruin fun fights.

I'm currently on the final push to clear T9 myself, actually. Don't have much time to play, unfortunately, so I haven't quite got the whole thing into farm mode yet. But hoping to have it finished in time to start Final Coil on the 28th. So no, I'm not some lowly casual looking to get handed easy clears so that I can have all the cool toys that the big boys are playing with. Don't try to address me as such simply because I don't see what all the fuss over the difficulty adjustments is about.

The caps was unnecessary, just rude. Just sayin'. I'm also not "trying to ruin fun fights". A lot of my friends are slowly leaving FFXIV (like they usually do near the implementation of another big patch) because they've already beaten the current content to death and have no interest in it anymore. It's not "fun" anymore. So you're right, they won't "suddenly abandon" Coil 2.. they're already abandoning Coil 2 (and FFXIV entirely, for that matter). It's fun when you're learning it, and when you get that whole "YEAH! We finally got it down!" moment. Maybe it's even fun for you the second time. And perhaps the 3rd. But then... it just starts to get old. And monotonous. And tedious. And boring. And that's where we're at now. Do you think I have much "fun" clearing Turn 6-8 anymore? Nope. They're just a set of steps to follow. Don't mess up Pollen. Don't be an idiot during Blighted Bouquet. Watch out for Voice/Shriek. Don't look at Petrifaction. Etc, etc etc. Only T9 actually has some degree of "fun" and "challenge" to it anymore.

So, why should I care if they reduce the difficulty? I plan to have beaten it by then. Then, since they're removing the weekly restriction, I'll want to farm up gear as quickly as possible since RNG hates us on some of our gear drops so that we can be adequately geared for the Final Coil. Besides.. if the difficulty adjustment is simply adding the Echo like they did for BCoB, the mechanics are ALL still there. It's just easier to survive the hits and to make the DPS checks since all the Echo really does is increase HP, increase damage dealt, and increase HP restoration from curative magic. Turn 5 is still Turn 5. Still gotta deal with Twisters. Still gotta deal with Dive Bombs. Still gotta deal with conflags and snakes. Sure... it's a hell of a lot easier now than it was then, but the fight is still essentially the same in terms of mechanics, most of which just insta-kill if you screw them up anyway.

That said, there's no reason to be rude to people. You can argue as much as you like, but I have a valid point.

[Garotte14]

I see most everyone raising the point that why do those of us who've cleared it really care if its nerfed since we won't even be doing it anymore. That it shouldn't take away from the accomplishment that we have achieved, and while that's a very fair point, its just not true to some. Should they just hand out Super Bowl rings to everyone? Maybe "Billy Joe" doesn't have time to practice as much as the rest of us, but he shouldn't be left out right? Its this mindset nowadays that hard work and practice and dedication to something means nothing because every kid in little league gets a trophy for participation. I have a daughter, and she played baseball this year, and she got a trophy even though her team came in 4th and it frustrated me. It not about looming over other people and looking down on them. Its just that we put in the work, and were able to accomplish something that very few have.

[Lillia]

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Wow.... Um... I'd just praise your daughter and pat her on the back for the effort of it at all and maybe try to show her it's about being a good sportsman and having fun, not always about winning.

I'm not trying to be rude but don't you think it's harsh to even be frustrated that your daughter got something for the effort she put in at all? That trophy you're talking about could just be her motive to get better and reach a higher place next year.

Edit: Also... I don't think your daughter is even remotely related to coil changes despite what I wrote above, this is a video game and what you speak of is real life. A game is for enjoyment and to get away from real life, yeah you can feel a sense of achievement from content clear but... that doesn't mean others should be asked to meet your standards of performance to clear the same content that will be old, not thought of, and still made butt easy for some due to gear upgrades by spring 2015.

We all already get enough of our own stress irl from multiple things, last thing we need is the stress of meeting some other standard in a video game that we all just about equally pay with hard earned money for in exchange for gameplay we can enjoy. (This includes those who haven't beaten T6-9.)

[OxTitan]

you feel entitled for a fight that you'll never touch again to stay the same for the sake of your ancient eweiner?

In my opinion, I think it's more about relating to other players with the things you/they struggled with in the game.

Changing old content means the old and new players cannot relate to each other about the content they have cleared, only because they are not the same content, and are only similar by name.

It's the same argument people of older generations have with the newer generations of people. Older generation enjoyed the difficult work/effort it took to accomplished something for a reward, and the newer generations don't want to put in effort but wanted the same rewards.

[Garotte14]

I'm not trying to be rude but don't you think it's harsh to even be frustrated that your daughter got something for the effort she put in at all? That trophy you're talking about could just be her motive to get better and reach a higher place next year.

I never said anything that I was frustrated with my daughter. I didn't bash her and of course I praised her. I'm frustrated with the system. All the kids get trophies for participating, and I'm against this train of thought. It should teach kids that if they didn't get a trophy, and they are upset about it and really want one, then they need to work hard and practice and get better.

[Lillia]

I never said anything that I was frustrated with my daughter. I didn't bash her and of course I praised her. I'm frustrated with the system. All the kids get trophies for participating, and I'm against this train of thought. It should teach kids that if they didn't get a trophy, and they are upset about it and really want one, then they need to work hard and practice and get better.

Did that say at or with her? No, you're frustrated that she was rewarded for effort and good sportsmanship. When people lose something they put a lot of effort into they are generally already let down by it at least a little, the last thing anyone needs is for someone else to be frustrated on the side when they didn't even do half as much during the event. So please, I'm sure you didn't bash her but there's no point in being frustrated. There's other ways to motivate people to work hard instead of being furious about a reward for having fun and putting effort into something considering no one is forced to give that much into anything.

Anyways, obviously you're with a totally different opinion and will stand by it, I respect that. But know as someone else said, this game doesn't run on just one crowd or the other.

It runs on both so if one crowd that is even remotely big enough to hurt the population of the game is being pushed to leave then SE will probably take action regardless of what either of us say and this goes for either crowds.

Edit: All in all, shes your child and in the end of the day it's how you choose to raise her so whatever. I'm going to make this my last post regardless of what is said to it because I want to enjoy the halloween event then go to bed so happy saints wake everyone and good night. <3