Yoshi and Team treading that fine line

[Tsukiomi]

Exactly, folks need to be a bit more considerate here.

Yeah I just started on he Coil runs a few days ago and I haven't started T5 Yet. But at least my FC is helping me learn what to do in each run.

[Hayward]

So many of these elitists could better spend their time assisting people in these fights instead of mindlessly parroting talking points from the BG forums. Of course, that would require a rare commodity in MMO culture: empathy for others.

[Lillia]

So I wonder what's gonna happen to those teams who get no SMN, BRD or SCH. :x

[Ellatrix]

So many of these elitists could better spend their time assisting people in these fights instead of mindlessly parroting talking points from the BG forums. Of course, that would require a rare commodity in MMO culture: empathy for others.

When you're stuck at a boss fight in a single player RPG, do you look around and ask someone else to beat it for you?

Empathy exists, but the people crying stuff is hard pls nerf? They don't deserve it because they haven't put forth the effort required to beat it. There was a guy on page1 saying stuff is hard, and what's his gear like? Weathered/i80 dungeon gear. So he can't even be bothered to do hunts for sands/oils and cap soldiery every week? Why should I waste time helping someone who can't even help themselves?

[Sapphic]

So many of these elitists could better spend their time assisting people in these fights instead of mindlessly parroting talking points from the BG forums. Of course, that would require a rare commodity in MMO culture: empathy for others.

They do, just look at all the numerous guides and videos on the internet explaining fights. Which are a lot more indepth than a quick typed sentance in game.

What you say could be turned around also: Players could better spend their time not expecting others to cater solely to them.

[SongJoohee]

So I wonder what's gonna happen to those teams who get no SMN, BRD or SCH. :x

Black Mages can kite too, using the Freeze spell will bind Renaud. Harder to do but that's an option. If you have none of them and are running a really bad composition you can have pretty much anyone kite, but you will not have bind. Much tricker but that's what happens when bad compositions. Same like in Turn 4. 2 Caster 2 Physical was optimal, people could do 3/1 4/0 but it was trickier and not recommended. Not impossible.

[RyuDragnier]

I'm laughing at some of you players saying that nerfing this is a travesty...did any of you do Coil 1 again after Coil 2 and the new equipment came out? Just the existence of that equipment trivialized Coil 1, and the new equipment will do the same to Coil 2. And I bet a lot of you won't even be touching Coil 2 again because you'll be too busy in Coil 3. When a new superdungeon comes out with new equipment, that said equipment will trivialize the previous superdungeon and make it easier. That alone is already nerfing your precious "hardcore" content, so adding the echo and changing the mechanics won't do much at all. Plus the mechanic changes have already been done to dungeons before in this game, such as AK and what was once the "Party Destroyer" of 2.0, Demon Wall. These things happen, get over it.

[Ellatrix]

I'm laughing at some of you players saying that nerfing this is a travesty...did any of you do Coil 1 again after Coil 2 and the new equipment came out?

I farmed every single piece of allagan gear from Coil1 when it was unlocked, and I intend to farm every single piece of high allagan in 2.4. I've already started a linkshell to do that and it has quite a few members already. Also, one of the requirements for my LS is having Binds3, so this isn't just random people who want to do coil - it's the same people who will be pushing Coil3, the target audience you somehow decided won't touch Coil2 again.

The AK nerf was incredibly unfortunate, and is probably part of the reason why DEX Ring DRG and terrible DPS in general are more prevalent than before since... that was really the first true damage check in the game but they removed it.

[Lillia]

Black Mages can kite too, using the Freeze spell will bind Renaud. Harder to do but that's an option. If you have none of them and are running a really bad composition you can have pretty much anyone kite, but you will not have bind. Much tricker but that's what happens when bad compositions. Same like in Turn 4. 2 Caster 2 Physical was optimal, people could do 3/1 4/0 but it was trickier and not recommended. Not impossible.

Ah, makes sense.

[Wyrmnus]

I farmed every single piece of allagan gear from Coil1 when it was unlocked, and I intend to farm every single piece of high allagan in 2.4. I've already started a linkshell to do that and it has quite a few members already. Also, one of the requirements for my LS is having Binds3, so this isn't just random people who want to do coil - it's the same people who will be pushing Coil3, the target audience you somehow decided won't touch Coil2 again.

The AK nerf was incredibly unfortunate, and is probably part of the reason why DEX Ring DRG and terrible DPS in general are more prevalent than before since... that was really the first true damage check in the game but they removed it.

You are the prime definition of elitist. It seriously is frightening. Ive said it before in other threads. People with your mindsets are an cancerous poison to what's supposed to be a well minded MMO gaming community.