Yoshi and Team treading that fine line

[Lillia]

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Wow.... Um... I'd just praise your daughter and pat her on the back for the effort of it at all and maybe try to show her it's about being a good sportsman and having fun, not always about winning.

I'm not trying to be rude but don't you think it's harsh to even be frustrated that your daughter got something for the effort she put in at all? That trophy you're talking about could just be her motive to get better and reach a higher place next year.

Edit: Also... I don't think your daughter is even remotely related to coil changes despite what I wrote above, this is a video game and what you speak of is real life. A game is for enjoyment and to get away from real life, yeah you can feel a sense of achievement from content clear but... that doesn't mean others should be asked to meet your standards of performance to clear the same content that will be old, not thought of, and still made butt easy for some due to gear upgrades by spring 2015.

We all already get enough of our own stress irl from multiple things, last thing we need is the stress of meeting some other standard in a video game that we all just about equally pay with hard earned money for in exchange for gameplay we can enjoy. (This includes those who haven't beaten T6-9.)

[Garotte14]

I'm not trying to be rude but don't you think it's harsh to even be frustrated that your daughter got something for the effort she put in at all? That trophy you're talking about could just be her motive to get better and reach a higher place next year.

I never said anything that I was frustrated with my daughter. I didn't bash her and of course I praised her. I'm frustrated with the system. All the kids get trophies for participating, and I'm against this train of thought. It should teach kids that if they didn't get a trophy, and they are upset about it and really want one, then they need to work hard and practice and get better.

[Lillia]

I never said anything that I was frustrated with my daughter. I didn't bash her and of course I praised her. I'm frustrated with the system. All the kids get trophies for participating, and I'm against this train of thought. It should teach kids that if they didn't get a trophy, and they are upset about it and really want one, then they need to work hard and practice and get better.

Did that say at or with her? No, you're frustrated that she was rewarded for effort and good sportsmanship. When people lose something they put a lot of effort into they are generally already let down by it at least a little, the last thing anyone needs is for someone else to be frustrated on the side when they didn't even do half as much during the event. So please, I'm sure you didn't bash her but there's no point in being frustrated. There's other ways to motivate people to work hard instead of being furious about a reward for having fun and putting effort into something considering no one is forced to give that much into anything.

Anyways, obviously you're with a totally different opinion and will stand by it, I respect that. But know as someone else said, this game doesn't run on just one crowd or the other.

It runs on both so if one crowd that is even remotely big enough to hurt the population of the game is being pushed to leave then SE will probably take action regardless of what either of us say and this goes for either crowds.

Edit: All in all, shes your child and in the end of the day it's how you choose to raise her so whatever. I'm going to make this my last post regardless of what is said to it because I want to enjoy the halloween event then go to bed so happy saints wake everyone and good night. <3

[RiverTams]

I never said anything that I was frustrated with my daughter. I didn't bash her and of course I praised her. I'm frustrated with the system. All the kids get trophies for participating, and I'm against this train of thought. It should teach kids that if they didn't get a trophy, and they are upset about it and really want one, then they need to work hard and practice and get better.

You need a children-psychology book. Really...

(Hard work and effort are also an achievement that should be rewarded, not just being on the winning team)

[Argyle_Darkheart]

You need a children-psychology book. Really...

(Hard work and effort are also an achievement that should be rewarded, not just being on the winning team)

LOL you think awarding children for every non-achievement is good for their mental/psychological health? Well, you're allowed to think that, if you want, but don't act like you KNOW what's best.

I'm with Garotte14 on this one. The self-esteem movement was a tremendous failure, the way I see it; it breeds complacency and self-entitlement.
I'm of the belief that people should either accept their limits, or shatter them. You don't pretend they don't exist. Or do you think denial is healthy?

[Sparktacus]

You need a children-psychology book. Really...

(Hard work and effort are also an achievement that should be rewarded, not just being on the winning team)

So two children take a math test, both studied a little, but one studied harder. The one that studied harder got an A and the other gets a D, but according to your philosophy they both deserve the same grade or reward even though one put in a minimal amount of effort? I'm sorry, I really don't understand this mentality.

[RiverTams]

I see most everyone raising the point that why do those of us who've cleared it really care if its nerfed since we won't even be doing it anymore. That it shouldn't take away from the accomplishment that we have achieved, and while that's a very fair point, its just not true to some. Should they just hand out Super Bowl rings to everyone? Maybe "Billy Joe" doesn't have time to practice as much as the rest of us, but he shouldn't be left out right? Its this mindset nowadays that hard work and practice and dedication to something means nothing because every kid in little league gets a trophy for participation. I have a daughter, and she played baseball this year, and she got a trophy even though her team came in 4th and it frustrated me. It not about looming over other people and looking down on them. Its just that we put in the work, and were able to accomplish something that very few have.

Your daughter sounds like she has tons of pressure at home.

[FritoBandito]

Disregard if someone already mentioned something like this:

I wouldn't mind if all the "tough" content had an easier version for the people who want to see it but just simply aren't as good at the game as some others. The easier version could have lesser rewards. This way there is still the "tough" version for those who enjoy the challenge, and something more accessible for those who do not enjoy the challenge.

Maybe kinda like the Raid Finder versions of WoW's raid dungeons.

[Madoka]

I help people on their first clears. We can't help every person ever, but if you aren't making an attempt to get help or form a party you shouldn't be blaming others. I've had times where I joined some friends helping new people through coil 1 and we couldn't fill up the party so we tossed up PF and said it was to help first timer clears. The people that joined were just happy to help people get into scob. The people we helped had also studied the fight pretty well, or already tried pugging it. I think overall I've only seen a few people I was helping die to mechanics, and usually just divebombs or walking into the wall rather than messing up twister or something. Other times I've joined parties in PF to help people where the new person had not studied the fight at all and as a chain effect caused wipes so I left.

I'll use my time to help you if you've already used your time to help yourself. Just don't expect me and 6 others to waste an hour if you haven't even put in 10 minutes.