Only on a Final Fantasy Forum...

[Abriael]

Only on Final Fantasy forums will you find fanboys up in arms claiming there is nothing wrong with a game that even the developers admit sucks in it's current form.

I'd be very curious to see you quote an anywhere sizable number of posts on this forum in which some alleged "fanboys" state that there's nothing wrong with the game.

I'm quite sure you're going to come back empty handed, or nearly. Which would be a further proof (if it was even needed) that strawman arguments make people look like fools (more or less like using overdramatized terms as "sucks" and similar).

[Mishakai]

I'd be very curious to see you quote an anywhere sizable number of posts on this forums in which some alleged "fanboys" states that there's nothing wrong with the game.

I'm quite sure you're going to come back empty handed, or nearly. Which would be a further proof (if it was even needed) that strawman arguments make people look like fools

OK forum ninja... I'm about done with you...

400 posts in just a few days, a majority of which are insulting people who suggest anything you don't like.

Seriously, quit trolling and flaming people for utilizing our only line to the devs that we've gotten in the 6 months since the game was released. After all, we all have pretty much the same monetary investment, and are just as entitled to express our opinions as anyone else, regarless of whether or not you approve of them.

[Abriael]

400 posts in just a few days, a majority of which are insulting people who suggest anything you don't like.

...says the one that slapped down a blanket statement about "fanboys". Which tends to be an insult, dunno if you noticed. Sorry mate, but if you feel "insulted" by discussion and conflicting opinions, then you're way oversensitive.

Seriously, quit trolling and flaming people for utilizing our only line to the devs that we've gotten in the 6 months since the game was released. After all, we all have pretty much the same monetary investment, and are just as entitled to express our opinions as anyone else, regarless of whether or not you approve of them.

So you're saying that you're entitled to your opinion and I am not?
Because, you know. I'm here to express my opinion as much as you are, and if my opinion is that an idea would damage the game (or my enjoyment of the game), I will express it.
That's what "discussion" is, and forums are "discussion" environments. If you don't like "discussion" with people that happen to disagree with you, then get a blog, and turn off comments.

I'm sorry to burst a bubble here, but conflicting with your opinion doesn't make someone else's opinion less valid or worthy to be expressed.

The fact that I or others discuss your idea, doesn't make it less visible to the developers (since you seem to be concerned about the "line" to the devs), quite the contrary, since the thread gets bumped every time someone responds. Or maybe you're afraid that the devs will "prefer" the oppoising opinion and ignore yours, and as such the opposing opinion shouldn't be expressed? Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.

But since you seem to be keen on using the word "trolling", let me make you aware of the fact that someone that goes to a game's forum to tell that it "sucks" fits the very definition of a troll perfectly.

I'm still waiting, though, to see you quote the alleged "fanboys" that according to your (warped and biased) vision are spamming the forums telling that there's "nothing wrong" with the game. Please, humor me.

[AmyRae]

The "immersion breaking" argument doesn't hold much water. There are obviously greater immersion breaking factors in the game already:

1. Your character can take an axe to the face and not lose half its face.

2. Your character is tireless (even sleeps standing up), never worries about personal hygiene, eating is optional, has no kids, has no parents, never ages.

3. Your character can't die, even if eaten by a giant monster 10 times its size. It's just knocked out for awhile.

4. Your character can carry 100 Haubergeons with no signs of slowing down or bulkiness, even if it only has 9 STR and stands 2 feet tall.

Goodness gracious. Imagine how "unrealistic" it would be if your character could jump in a world like that. (And that's one thing people actually do in real life).

[Benediction]

The "immersion breaking" argument doesn't hold much water. There are obviously greater immersion breaking factors in the game already:

1. Your character can take an axe to the face and not lose half its face.

2. Your character is tireless (even sleeps standing up), never worries about personal hygiene, eating is optional, has no kids, has no parents, never ages.

3. Your character can't die, even if eaten by a giant monster 10 times its size. It's just knocked out for awhile.

4. Your character can carry 100 Haubergeons with no signs of slowing down or bulkiness, even if it only has 9 STR and stands 2 feet tall.

Goodness gracious. Imagine how "unrealistic" it would be if your character could jump in a world like that.

People that talk about immersion in games aren't really immersed themselves in real life. So they forget how unrealistic most of the aspects are from a game.

[Rubicon]

Only on the FFXIV forums is there a post about jumping with 5000 views and a post about correcting fundamental issues sinking on the board like a stone.

Same for Male Miq'otes...
Same for Female Roes...
Same for adding more battle classes...
Same for adding new experience systems when the current system is being scrapped...
Same for keeping the armor system as basic as possible...
Same for keeping the classes with all skills and no role...

Shall I continue?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

@ abe
I have heavey rain. There are also some silly parts to the game.
I'm saying visually WoW and pwi look silly and cartoon-y, and have the biggest subs. Where as ffxi and ffxiv have less cartoon-y graphics and the lowest subs.

Take a chill pill about mmorpg and what OTHER PPL do. You are the buzz kill in mmorpg. Having fun also is being silly. I bet you look silly playing an mmo. Getting into and cussing at the screen when something goes wrong.

for ps3 Little big planet/2 is prob the most popular game like ever. Due to the creative and silly aspects to it. And you can create your own silly levels (which are in the millions or more)

And ffxi is silly. I mean cat girls, brute men. Moogles are silly creatures. Don't get me started with lolifells :3
only on ffxiv forum will you see
pro tip, hating for sake of hating just leads to being a buzz kill. Just ingore others of they bug you that much. Don't get on a soap box an annouce you hate something for sake of hating. Jump will do nothing to you in game.

[Abriael]

@ abe
I have heavey rain. There are also some silly parts to the game.
I'm saying visually WoW and pwi look silly and cartoon-y, and have the biggest subs. Where as ffxi and ffxiv have less cartoon-y graphics and the lowest subs.

Again, you're confusing correlation with causation. I already explained to you how the two things are different, but you don't seem to be able to understand that simple explanation.

You will not demonstrate any argument flapping around wow's subscription data (and even less with Perfect World, since it's a F2P game the subscription data of which means nothing).

Take a chill pill about mmorpg and what OTHER PPL do. You are the buzz kill in mmorpg. Having fun also is being silly. I bet you look silly playing an mmo. Getting into and cussing at the screen when something goes wrong.

I wouldn't paint your own habits on other people if I were you.

for ps3 Little big planet/2 is prob the most popular game like ever. Due to the creative and silly aspects to it. And you can create your own silly levels (which are in the millions or more)

You have a penchant for being wrong and misinformed, my friend. Little Big planet is not even in the top ten most popular games for the PS3. To be precise it's 11th.

Here's the top 10 for sales: Call of Duty Black Ops, Modern Warfare 2, Gran Theft Auto 4, Gran Turismo 5, Modern Warfare, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Uncharted 2, Call of Duty World at War, Assassin's creed 2.

As you can see, your little "silly" Little Big Planet 2 is literally crushed by a nice team of games with a lot more serious themes.

This isn't the first time you take your own tastes and just assume without any base that they are the tastes of the majority.

And ffxi is silly. I mean cat girls, brute men. Moogles are silly creatures. Don't get me started with lolifells :3
only on ffxiv forum will you see

Might want to at least start learning the names of the races before arguing about the game, will you?
I am actually wondering, did you EVER play Final Fantasy XIV?

pro tip, hating for sake of hating just leads to being a buzz kill. Just ingore others of they bug you that much. Don't get on a soap box an annouce you hate something for sake of hating. Jump will do nothing to you in game.

Sorry, I explained quite in depth why I'm against the exclusion of random jumping in the game. The "hating for the sake of hating", is just an invention of yours. Pretty hilarious, but still an invention.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

pro tip being too serious on a video game is just as silly.

even if the game has a serious theme. War is serious yes? want/need me to upload every us army in iraq dance vid? they even have Tik Tok by that Ka$ha even seen a vid of some silly isriali dance mix macarana with disco XD
Just because something is serious don't mean you need to be serious. More so if it a game. I like ppl being silly it makes games fun. If i wanted to deal with serious ppl all day i would no play games and just work 24/7.

[Blackheart]

pro tip being too serious on a video game is just as silly.

even if the game has a serious theme. War is serious yes? want/need me to upload every us army in iraq dance vid? they even have Tik Tok by that Ka$ha even seen a vid of some silly isriali dance mix macarana with disco XD
Just because something is serious don't mean you need to be serious. More so if it a game. I like ppl being silly it makes games fun. If i wanted to deal with serious ppl all day i would no play games and just work 24/7.

Worded like a pro