You produced a definition, which is a fact of what the meaning of said word is not that people agree with you on the subject. Plus, as your sig says - you should always find a reliable source. Also the fact that many people say that Wikipedia should never be used as a main source due to (as my first source says):
Originally Posted by Darki
Source: http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/...Wikipedia.htmlAnd finally, the number one reason you can't cite or rely on Wikipedia:
1. It says so on Wikipedia.
Wikipedia says, “We do not expect you to trust us.” It adds that it is “not a primary source” and that “because some articles may contain errors,” you should “not use Wikipedia to make critical decisions.”
Furthermore, as Wikipedia notes in its “About” section, “Users should be aware that not all articles are of encyclopedic quality from the start: they may contain false or debatable information.”
And even some courts will not even allow it's use in arguments because a Texas court found that
Source: http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog...omment-page-1/“Wikipedia entries are inherently unreliable because they can be written and edited anonymously by anyone.”
But seeing that threads like this exist. The fact that I, my friends and people on this thread have been harassed/kicked out of/cussed at - in Duty Finder and they are complaining about it here proves that this is in fact an issue. Despite the fact that you feel this has been discussed to the ad nauseum does not change that. Perhaps if people stopped being rude in DF then people would stop talking about it. I see no assumption on my behalf, just the fact that there are tons of complaints from players that people are rude within the game. Considering some of the responses on this thread alone, trying to justify why they can be rude, that proves this as well.
Need a source, you're on the thread and can read the complaints first had for yourself; but here are more threads on how people can be rude in game if you'd like more sources from people within the game:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...wer-players%21
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-heavier-price
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...st-playthrough
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...m-Requirements
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...at-can-be-done
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-new-players
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ns-and-manners
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ank-disrespect.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-said-instance.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ically-allowed
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...yet-on-parsers
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ters-Beware%21
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-in-Frontline
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ome-this-toxic
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ying-the-story
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nd-immediately
The above are fact, and genuine complains about people being harassed/rude in game. That is why people discuss this. That is why something needs to be done.
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10-18-2014 09:03 AM #241Player
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10-18-2014 09:13 AM #242Player
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Yeah, it can be annoying waiting for people to watch cutscenes when you've ran the dungeon a thousand times over. But if you're using DF, you can't be surprised at having people who are new in your group. Also, even though MMO's aren't known for their renowned stories, it's still a game and people can still be interested and immersed in what's happening.
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You're right that was my mistake. Please allow me to correct it. I won't use wikipedia as a source. I'll use this one instead: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us...ish/ad-nauseam
Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen
And while we're at it, i'll add this one to:
Paranoia:
"A mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically worked into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality." Source: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...glish/paranoia
I asked which one of us was making an assumption but I trusted that you would figure out that I wasn't speaking on behalf of others (silly me.) Only myself. If you had taken a modicum of time to think and realise this, you would of saved yourself a great deal of typing and copy&pasteing. But I do respect the fact that you actually do research.
Not enough people doing that nowadays.
Back on subject, yes I agree that people are rude (shocking!) the fact that there are sixteen different threads (as your sources show) on this only reinforces my belief that this has been talked about ad nauseum. If after all this time, a universally accepted solution hasn't been created to fix this, it never will. My advice is to dedicate yourself to something more productive than this subject...like digging a car sized tunnel with a toothpick.(0)
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10-18-2014 05:50 PM #244Player
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How is this still going? It is rude to kick new players for watching cutscenes, simple as.
You can't complain if you use DF or Roulette for dungeons if someone is watching a cutscene. You will get new players sometimes in those.
You want your roulette bonus as fast as possible you say? Remember, part of the reason roulette was implemented in the first place was so new players would get parties for the older content. Not so you could farm tomes quicker. The tome bonus is your incentive to do older content.
You don't like that, then stick to PF groups.(7)
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Social Justice Warriors
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10-18-2014 05:56 PM #246Player
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Originally Posted by Darki
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10-18-2014 07:11 PM #247Player
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I'm not paranoid, losing touch with reality, or have an exaggerated self-importance as your lovely definition states. I am an educator and I see enough people bullied with others doing little or nothing about it. It is my job to care about others and try to help, even if humanity seems to be lacking greatly in that department. To sit around and see people bullying others in game, which is supposed to be fun is just incomprehensible to me.
Originally Posted by Darki
You're right that was my mistake. Please allow me to correct it. I won't use wikipedia as a source. I'll use this one instead: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us...ish/ad-nauseam
And while we're at it, i'll add this one to:
Paranoia:
"A mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically worked into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality." Source: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...glish/paranoia
I asked which one of us was making an assumption but I trusted that you would figure out that I wasn't speaking on behalf of others (silly me.) Only myself. If you had taken a modicum of time to think and realise this, you would of saved yourself a great deal of typing and copy&pasteing. But I do respect the fact that you actually do research. Not enough people doing that nowadays.
Back on subject, yes I agree that people are rude (shocking!) the fact that there are sixteen different threads (as your sources show) on this only reinforces my belief that this has been talked about ad nauseum. If after all this time, a universally accepted solution hasn't been created to fix this, it never will. My advice is to dedicate yourself to something more productive than this subject...like digging a car sized tunnel with a toothpick.
It doesn’t matter if you were only speaking of yourself or assuming others agreed. Ignoring the issue because someone feels it’s been overly discussed does not make an issue go away. We can’t teach people to just ignore (or stop talking about) a problem and hope it goes away. All that does is show people who act like that they can continue to get away with it, and if someone can silence a person, that’s a powerful control to have.
• 52 % of young people report being bullied online.
• 10-20% report being bullied on a regular basis.
• 95% of young people who see online bullying just ignore it and don’t say a word.
• 7-9% of people end up considering suicide due to bullying online.
When people say it’s discussed too much, or doesn’t matter - that leads the people who are victims to believe no one cares. Why would anyone want to give them the idea that they don’t care? Sometime just seeing that one person does care and wants to make a change might be the difference.
Of course I do my research, and I’ll take such words as a compliment. Many people on here just say what they want without thinking of their words. If someone wants to call me out, I want to know that I have a basis to stand upon. It is the logical thing to do; you can’t build on quicksand only a firm foundation.
I am sorry that you feel it has been discussed too much, but there is always the option of not clicking or replying on thread that you find overdone. No one makes you come here and post, keeping this subject on the front page. Actually, when you responded to me it hadn’t been posted on for days and had fallen pages back in favor for other subject that were being discussed, so why bring it back to the first page if it’s been over discussed?
While you are correct, there is no accepted solution for fixing it, that doesn’t be there won’t be. That doesn’t mean if people speak up enough companies (like SE) might actually stand up and take it seriously. They already have a report harassment option, so that shows they are not blind to the problem. But while there is not accepted solution, just being quiet and accepting that people are rude and believing nothing will change will only do one thing – make sure nothing changes.
As for your suggestion of digging a car sized hole with a toothpick, while it is appreciated I have better use of my time. Helping people to have a better life than I had, than other have had… it’s much more proactive. As Mahatma Gandhi, who I admire greatly, said:
He didn’t understand it, and I don’t… all I can do is speak up and let people know it is wrong… even if it goes to the point of annoyance to others. The only people I can see offended by such conversations are people who would do such things to others. But such people can make jokes of anything I suppose, though as my sig says - Attitude is 100%, and I prefer to have the attitude of someone who cares about fellow human beings and not ignore such issues.It has always been a mystery to me how men can feel themselves honoured by the humiliation of their fellow beings.(1)Last edited by KaiKatzchen; 10-18-2014 at 07:19 PM.
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10-19-2014 01:29 AM #248Player
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You should be glad there are even still first-timers who want to view the story scenes at all. It means new players are still coming to the game, and the population is still growing -- which is what drives the developers/publisher to create new content and features at a steady rate. Once the population hits its peak, there is nowhere to go but down. Then updates become sparser, more "cash shop" style puchases get pushed at you, and the downward slope of subscribers gains momentum.
In other words, those of you who want to enjoy the benefits of a growing population and frequent content patches are being hypocritical if you begrudge newbies and give them a hard time. You expect these people to somehow gain interest, enjoy the leveling/endgame experience, and learn the mechanics as you did -- but you expect it to happen in someone else's DF queue.(4)
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@Kaikatchen
I understand and know because I have been at the receiving end of such abuses in this game, yet I could give a rat ass about it. You mix up real life and virtual life that alone is a huge problem and this should never happen, this troubles me alot especialyl coming from an educator, you should know that both arent the same.
It is dumb to throw someone out of DF because not good or or or or....but equally you wouldnt want to associate with those people so best that you are not there. SE doesnt give a rat ass about it, so really just move on and end of story.
But please, do not mix up real life and virtual life, those are two different worlds and besides, you cannot control if people are mature enough (I dont speak of age here) to understand that nobody holds control over you especially not in a virtual world, if people cant see the difference it rests with them, abuses happen if entity that controls this game is not willing to do anything to prevent those, then really there is nothing you or me can do other then move on and shrug it off. You are also not responsible for how others react, you can only inform but in no way make a comparison between real life and virtual life in a game more so.
Again please do not mix Real life and virtual life, this is really troublesome
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100% this. Don't start mixing the real life issue of online bullying with someone getting kicked for viewing a cutscene. it over-generalizes the issue, to the point where the same fact pointing can go both ways. last thing we need is some speedrunner saying "Forcing me to watch cutscenes and wasting my time is bullying". it isn't, either way.
Originally Posted by MeiUshu
Bringing it up is borderline off topic. lets get back to the main point, being that there is a fine line between people wanting a speed run,. and people wanting to watch cutscenes. in short, what we should be telling SE is that cutscenes shouldn't be in the middle of dungeons, they should be confined to before and after. let us stand united in this front.(0)
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