SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[alexi14]

This whole SP nerf would been fine post 1.20 when we see the jobs, beastmen strongholds, alot more content that people could do along the way.
If there were 5 more dungeons, proper party seek function, redesigned maps with proper exp camps, proper behest, campaign like system, etc etc, flying pigs and chocobos, no one would've mind gimp exp as long as the way to 50 would been enjoyable.
However, now it's a grind and not a pleasant one. Should've really thought this through SE.

You're wrong. Regardless of what future content has, Leves will ALWAYS be worthless unless they make a change. That goes for behest as well. Right now, behest is just something to do if you happen to be bored between :00 and :02 o clock, AND happen to be walking past a camp.

[Renshi]

So then we should stop playing until 1.19? They could have made changes but ranking up is a chore right now. Why was it necessary to slow down progression to such an extent so soon? They could have slowed a little bit and then, if needed, slow down further in 1.19.

Wait, you should stop playing until 1.19 just because they nerfed SPs?

...

... can I laugh more?

You have TONS of more Sidequests, New things to explore, Two dungeons, the Grand Companies of Eorzea, they killed Fatigue and did other cool things and you still can't do anything fun in the game?

You know, that's why I try to come in this forum as few times as possible. Stop crying for SPs, Take a slow chore, Adapt to the new system and Enjoy what you have, which is really awesome!
If you don't see the fun, then waiting for 1.19 is useless.

[Hikozaemon]

Or maybe you should try more stars or higher level leves? because you know, sane people try different things before going to complain on forums.
(this of course without even mentioning the SP given by quests, that before gave none).

SP wasn't nerfed. You're just doing it wrong, and going around calling people liars like a little drama queen doesn't help your cause.

PS: if your con needs a break every 3 mobs, then you should complain at your con. Looks like he isn't using the proper mana regen skills and he simply can't administer his mana.

Higher stars doesnt do jack for leves now......... as me and about everyone else has found out in past few days ( most mobs at 5 stars now arnt even high enough rank to warrant decent sp for rank40+ players) and even some lower rank.

500-2500 sp for completeing a quest that can take anywhere from 10min to 1hr isnt a big whoopty-do thing to celebrate about but it is better than leves lol.

!!! You know only get leve-link bonus if u have a leve to link yourself and only at the end of the completing the leve when u are given award. This is unrealistic because now everyone has random leves and the party system doesnt help any either. WTF is /sea all and seek party that party recruit menu is utter rubbish; why hasnt it been junked months ago.


Sp was nerfed cold hard fact. Dont say it wasnt when it was who cares dont make up bullshit that is obviously not the truth. And yes u can now grind sp in a party but the truth is mobs do give less sp than previously and u have to grind hardcore non stop for hours to achieve what coulda been done in 20mins prior. No failing leves was not a exploit because Yoshida clearly stated he wasnt against it at any point and was aware of the SP gain for months so that can be dropped now.

Yes CON/THM could manage there MP better but guess what SE was to blame for this mis-management. They allowed a certain sloppy care-free playstyle to persist for months and promoted it then did a 180 turn. And skills like damnation dont work worth a crap. Siphon MP is good but has a long recast timer and could prob either use a shortend one or more potency. Stygian spikes is great if your taking damage seeing as it got a great boost yet CON and THM in the back line shouldnt be gettin hit to replenish HP and risk dieing in the first place in a party setting.

You have hate issues Abriael, try being constructive and nice and not attacking everyone it'll get you much farther.

[SilvertearRen]

The point of bothering with guildleves and behests is that they're a very viable way of leveling when you don't have the time or will to get a party. That's quite a big point.

THIS. A thousand times THIS.

Anyone that keeps ignoring this fundamental fact about behests and leves, need not speak in this thread. I am a college student with a lot of my time invested in my own intellectual property, so i don't have as much time to dedicate to Final Fantasy XIV.

If I want to get half a rank now, it'd require what? FIVE HOURS OF HARD-ON GRINDING?

Eff. That. Crap. To. Hell!

[Preypacer]

You' have quite the selective reading my feriend.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-1.18-ROCKS%21

Notice the 170+ likes?

Also, the only people hyping up 1.18 as the patch to save the game are some more overzealous players. Everyone else has been quite aware that this was merely the first of a series of major patches intended to get the game where it needs to be. Yoshi himself stated that things would be rough around the edges even after 1.18, and for people to allow them the time to refine and improve things.

So, apparently, he has selective reading issues as well.

[Ariakan]

I absolutely HATED FFXI because of the nerfed lvling process and utter lack of time available to actually explore the game due to this problem. Now they've gone and done the same thing to FFXIV. As a casual gamer who has a real job and a real life, I expect to get the most out of my time playing. However, with the changes patch 1.18 brought, this is clearly not going to happen. I played for three days off and on following implementation of the patch and am sorely disappointed in just about every change made, all save for the auto attack feature. Leves are incredibly gimped. SP for grinding is atrocious. SP for quests are somewhat OK, however those that you actually get decent SP from take far too long, and when considering the anima cost to actually complete them - a total waste of time and energy.

I'm sorry, but any game that requires a month to gain 4 levels/ranks, whatever, clearly is not worth playing, at least not for those of us with relatively limited time - and at the rate that things have gone since implementation of the patch, I think this is going to be the norm.

FAIL, Square Enix - You should stop listening to what your developers THINK the players want, and actually listen directly to the players for a change. The game as it is now, I will not pay a single dollar per month to play.

[Charismatic]

If I want to get half a rank now, it'd require what? FIVE HOURS OF HARD-ON GRINDING?

Eff. That. Crap. To. Hell!

It is quite literally not going to go any faster with leves than grinding, sorry to say. Unless you're talking solo grinding, and even then I cannot say. Perhaps the bonus is large enough at those ranks that a guildleve is faster than grinding but I know for sure that at the low ranks it isn't. Sad state of affairs.

[viion]

i 100% agree with OP, I got a 50, even 2 40+. What rank you are means jackshit, you did the same crap from 1 to 50, you killed a mob, in x location at x level OR you did X level. Weather you failed or not means nothing, you can fail as early as rank 10 lol. Or you can go legit. its all same crap at the end of the day.

Just trying to prove to each other who has more knowledge is just stupid, is your e-penis that small?

anywho, I did a 7 link, 5 star, optimal rank, solo + aspect and got 2k, where as prepatch i could of got 40k from the links lol so, so far this is pretty fail imo XD.

I have seen significant drops from all around, i dont praise 10-20k/hr crap. 40k bare minimum an hr is where it should be at. If someone can tell me where i can get that i'll bake you cookies.

[Reaujien]

Oh... oh... oh-m'god... look at that! More QQing!!! ~~~

[Abriael]

So... what exactly in my post was wrong? I didn't say anything at all that disagrees with what you just said.
Stop being so busy saying wrong wrong wrong that you don't even read the content of a post... that aside, read the edit I just made while you're at it.

Group grinding doesn't equate to "ask a random person to team up". group grinding starts giving very good yelds with a balanced party of 4.

Higher stars doesnt do jack for leves now......... as me and about everyone else has found out in past few days ( most mobs at 5 stars now arnt even high enough rank to warrant decent sp for rank40+ players) and even some lower rank.

You have quite some selective reading, as quite a lot of people has already stated how they had no problem getting high experience 40+

500-2500 sp for completeing a quest that can take anywhere from 10min to 1hr isnt a big whoopty-do thing to celebrate about but it is better than leves lol.

Actually many quests go way above that. Story quests easily get on the 15k range too.

!!! You know only get leve-link bonus if u have a leve to link yourself and only at the end of the completing the leve when u are given award. This is unrealistic because now everyone has random leves and the party system doesnt help any either. WTF is /sea all and seek party that party recruit menu is utter rubbish; why hasnt it been junked months ago.

That's why leves have been announced to be more for solo/duo players. No surprise here.

Sp was nerfed cold hard fact. Dont say it wasnt when it was who cares dont make up bullshit that is obviously not the truth. And yes u can now grind sp in a party but the truth is mobs do give less sp than previously and u have to grind hardcore non stop for hours to achieve what coulda been done in 20mins prior. No failing leves was not a exploit because Yoshida clearly stated he wasnt against it at any point and was aware of the SP gain for months so that can be dropped now.

Are you aware of the fact that you saying something is true doesn't make it true magically?

Yes CON/THM could manage there MP better but guess what SE was to blame for this mis-management. They allowed a certain sloppy care-free playstyle to persist for months and promoted it then did a 180 turn. And skills like damnation dont work worth a crap. Siphon MP is good but has long a recast timer and could prob either use a shortend one or more potency. Stygian spikes is great if your taking damage seeing as it got a great boost yet CON and THM in the back line shouldnt be gettin hit to replenish HP and risk dieing in the first place in a party setting.

So since initially the game was unbalanced and unbearably easy mode, with people that complained for hundreds of threads about it, they should keep it easy mode forever because people are too sloppy?
Please...

You have hate issues Abriael, try being constructive and nice and not attacking everyone it'll get you much farther.

The issues i have is with liars and libelous people. Which is where this thread came from.