Quote Originally Posted by LuxLex View Post
No, man I can look at a graph of SP. I don't need to waste my life doing it to see it there. I also have leveled a lot of jobs, not just my thm, though it is the highest (one level higher than my alchemy).
Leveling "a lot of jobs" gives you no experience of the whole level curve, considering that it changes a LOT from level 35 onwards. You lack experience, and are arguing over hearsay.

Quote Originally Posted by Charismatic View Post
Doesn't matter one bit who has done what in the past as far as leveling is concerned because NONE OF THAT IS VALID ANYMORE.
What matters is what the SP is like now. What I can tell you now is that group grinding blows all the other options out of the water in the 20s at the very least. There's literally no point to even bothering with guildleves and behests because in the time it takes to go get the leve then go back to the camp you could be killing stuff and grouping with other folks you see killing and getting more SP than you'd have gotten from the leve in the same amount of time and then there's the fact that grinding is sustained EXP. You don't run out of 'grind leves', you just keep killing. Unless you want guild marks you are wasting your time.
Soorry, but this is bull. This whole thread is about the comparison between how the leveling curve was before and how it is now. If someone has NOT experienced the previous leveling curve, he lacks the tools to discuss this with any knowledge.

The point of bothering with guildleves and behests is that they're a very viable way of leveling when you don't have the time or will to get a party. That's quite a big point.