SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Calevr]

I'm going to give the devs a chance to finish their ideas and see how it looks after summer. I had in mind this patch was for us to test out the new combat system which so far i like.

[Aldarin]

Quote Originally Posted by Aldarin View Post
Pre-1.18
10 mobs/leve, 720sp per mob = 7200sp/leve.

sp gained from 3 leves: 21600sp
Only with a few select leves, all the others gave MUCH less. So the average was much lower.

20 mobs/behest, 400sp/mob = 8000sp/behest
Almost impossible to get more than 200 SP per mob in behest past level 35 (and it's very, very rare even past level 25). 400 is Sci-fi.

Looks like someone's on to warp the facts to try (and fail) to back Kensei's false claims.

Funny how it's someone else that didn't even get past the first half of the leveling curve.

Alright, I am not changing facts of anything of the sort. These were the numbers I had from leves and behests at around level 20. To be frank, I didn't get past the second part of the level curve simply because I wanted to get the full experience of the game by playing the different jobs. Thus I have EVERY combat job at level 20, except Lancer 36 and my Pug which is only recently at 25. I also have been leveling multiple crafting and gathering jobs. I have played the levels from 1-20 over and over again. And maybe leves and behest are better or equal now at higher levels, but to be honest NOT EVERYONE IS OVER LEVEL 40. the game should work equally as well at the lower levels as well, which my numbers have shown it does not. If you would like to prove me wrong or contest this, please stop calling me a liar and simply show me your numbers.

Also, there are not as many people in the lower levels as in the higher levels, and the party search configuration still needs work, which means that for anyone who simply wants to hop on a play for a bit, solo is the only option. I enjoy behest because it allows for solo people to simply group ogether and go. I also don't only play solo, I do parties on the weekends with my LS group, during which time I use my LNC.

[Abriael]

Alright, I am not changing facts of anything of the sort. These were the numbers I had from leves and behests at around level 20. To be frank, I didn't get past the second part of the level curve simply because I wanted to get the full experience of the game by playing the different jobs. Thus I have EVERY combat job at level 20, except Lancer 36 and my Pug which is only recently at 25. I also have been leveling multiple crafting and gathering jobs. I have played the levels from 1-20 over and over again. And maybe leves and behest are better or equal now at higher levels, but to be honest NOT EVERYONE IS OVER LEVEL 40. the game should work equally as well at the lower levels as well, which my numbers have shown it does not. If you would like to prove me wrong or contest this, please stop calling me a liar and simply show me your numbers.

I'm not sure if you noticed, but the first 20 levels are probably near the fastest in any MMORPG to date. You can EASILY get to level 20 in a few hours.

[Firon]

Guys just stop responding to them, don't argue with them or anything cause Yoshi isn't gonna change anything you are gonna have to wait end of story. All i have to say is "Over 70% of the player base Voted for drastic changes" and that's what you are getting i don't care if you didn't vote or not you knew the game was gonna be different.

/thread

[Noir]

Guys just stop responding to them, don't argue with them or anything cause Yoshi isn't gonna change anything you are gonna have to wait end of story. All i have to say is "Over 70% of the player base Voted for drastic changes" and that's what you are getting i don't care if you didn't vote or not you knew the game was gonna be different.

/thread

I bet that it will change, for the better. Because they already went to the lowest with this patch. Can't get worse. Unless craft needs a party too. Maybe a materia party craft? With timing clicks....

[Pyrix]

It's the butthurt oldschool MMO gamers who think their archaic, out of date, NOT FUN way of leveling up by killing the same monster over and over and over is how you're supposed to level. Grinding is not fun. Nobody with a functioning brain finds it fun. They're suffering from Stockholm Syndrome because it's all their primitive minds can comprehend. Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game means you play online with other players. While this of course means you will party with them to tackle hard challenges, it does not mean you should HAVE to party with them no matter what. I should be able to kill a fucking rat my level if I want to.

[Bled]

It's the butthurt oldschool MMO gamers who think their archaic, out of date, NOT FUN way of leveling up by killing the same monster over and over and over is how you're supposed to level. Grinding is not fun. Nobody with a functioning brain finds it fun. They're suffering from Stockholm Syndrome because it's all their primitive minds can comprehend. Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game means you play online with other players. While this of course means you will party with them to tackle hard challenges, it does not mean you should HAVE to party with them no matter what. I should be able to kill a fucking rat my level if I want to.

Grinding is an essential mechanic of MMORPG's; if you cant deal with that or don't find that fun then i suggest you either play a platformer or find a easier MMO.

Though grinding is used to provide a "level playing field", this effect could be achieved with any time-consuming behavior that is accessible to all and provides game advancement I.E. Leves, behests, group grinds, raids, you name it... they are all grinds.

[Charismatic]

Grinding is an essential mechanic of MMORPG's

Grinding mobs in one spot isn't essential, there's a number of MMOs on the market that already don't have you do this. Quest grinding is far more enjoyable even though it is still grinding. Any WoW clone can show you that much.
Am I saying this is necessarily what should be done? No. I'm just saying that there's other ways to do things. I only hope that Yoshi-P and this crew are inventive enough to find one rather than having us slay 10000 of one or two enemy types all the way up FFXI style.

[Bled]

Grinding mobs in one spot isn't essential, there's a number of MMOs on the market that already don't have you do this. Quest grinding is far more enjoyable even though it is still grinding. Any WoW clone can show you that much.
Am I saying this is necessarily what should be done? No. I'm just saying that there's other ways to do things. I only hope that Yoshi-P and this crew are inventive enough to find one rather than having us slay 10000 of one or two enemy types all the way up FFXI style.

It is what it is, i don't care if I'm killing three different mobs or if im killing one... its all a grind and there is no way around it. The sooner people stop trying to pretend that certain things are not a grind the sooner we can move onto important fun and valuable content that breaks up the monotone of a grind.

But whatever to each their own

[Cichy]

Grinding mobs in one spot isn't essential, there's a number of MMOs on the market that already don't have you do this. Quest grinding is far more enjoyable even though it is still grinding. Any WoW clone can show you that much.
Am I saying this is necessarily what should be done? No. I'm just saying that there's other ways to do things. I only hope that Yoshi-P and this crew are inventive enough to find one rather than having us slay 10000 of one or two enemy types all the way up FFXI style.

Alot of people here only played XI and they only know one way. Grind till cap with barely any content and once you're there get gear. New gen MMO's are moving toward doing more and more content as you go to get away from his and give the user far more enjoyable experience. Quests are a big part of that but as it is in 14 they already a fail. Though it's nice to see SP reward for completing them, it's still far too difficult to seek out the quest and than finish it to claim your reward. It's a time sink that doesnt reward appropriately for the time or effort spent and you're better of just soloing mobs instead.