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    We had a big thread back in beta about this. They told us it made the game more simple because the spells go up in varying power thus I II and III(which is insulting since no other language does this) then when we explained how they don't vary in power at all as much as being totally different spells, the localization team decided to stop responding, probably because if the point was to make it simple but people would still have to read their skills to see they are different spells instead of just Fire 1, Fire 2, Fire 3, the same spell in variations. Then there was no point in not using the other suffixes. Another part of the explanation was that they couldn't have uniform suffixes for spell effects, then going on to say that it'd get messy to keep adding suffixes and determine which gets what suffixes.

    Yet the other localization teams went the other way and saw no problems with it. Because I totally want to see Fire IV , Fire V, down the line. =/ The answer just sounded lazy and like an excuse to me, but I doubt they'll change it.
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    I am not sure why but whenever I read OP's arguments on details I want to remind them that their sig is stretched beyond belief and looks messy.
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    I remember when FF8 first came out. I was like "wtf is all this -ra, -ga nonsense??" It was so annoying after playing 7+ FF games with numbered spell tiers.

    That was the first time the spells were called that in English. FF EIGHT. The first 7 games (more if u count FFT and others) were NOT named this way.

    Fire 1, Fire 2, etc IS the classic naming scheme for english. I'm glad they kept it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool View Post
    I remember when FF8 first came out. I was like "wtf is all this -ra, -ga nonsense??" It was so annoying after playing 7+ FF games with numbered spell tiers.

    That was the first time the spells were called that in English. FF EIGHT. The first 7 games (more if u count FFT and others) were NOT named this way.

    Fire 1, Fire 2, etc IS the classic naming scheme for english. I'm glad they kept it.
    I think the biggest problem I had with the response was them saying it was for simplicity when it doesn't accomplish that at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winxbloom61 View Post
    Okay and yes im being seriose FIX THE NAMES OF SPELLS

    Fire II should be Fira fire 3 should be firage same with blizzard/thunder/bio/stone/aero/cure and so on dont take the classic names of spells from us PLEASE FIX THEM i seriosely cant play blm/smn/whm without getting angery at you for taking away the classic spell names
    Really? A few letters make you that mad? I'm not quite sure what to say to that. o.O

    Quote Originally Posted by winxbloom61 View Post
    can always repost it and u know happans when some fool is civil its pushed to side as if nothing at the least they can do is add a option in the char settings to choice which one we use the suffix or numb
    Not a good idea. If a thread gets deleted and you repost it, they'll simply end up slapping you with a ban.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaralnKornera View Post
    I am not sure why but whenever I read OP's arguments on details I want to remind them that their sig is stretched beyond belief and looks messy.
    Right? That sig bugs the heck out of me. >.<
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 10-14-2014 at 11:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerune View Post
    I do understand why Yoshi-P would pick for a I,II,III etc. New players are fresh blood that every mmorpg need, if we dont get fresh blood, then the game is doomed. That is why all the mmorpg's focus on making the game easy to understand for new players.
    Can you explain to us why a new player would understand the difference between Fire I and Fire II immediately just by looking at the suffix? They are spells for two different situations. I doubt that the classical suffixes would be more difficult. In fact, a suffix that for example would indicate an AoE spell would work better for new players. Cure II for example isn't exactly AoE.. In the end you actually need to read the tooltip to see what the ability does.

    Can you also explain why they in the JP version (and German version too?) use the original suffixes? Do you think SE thinks the English speaking group is some type of brain damaged one? I doubt it. I don't know how you think about this, but the "new player" argument is invalid when half does get classical suffixes and the other half doesn't. A bit contradicting isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by abzoluut View Post
    Can you explain to us why a new player would understand the difference between Fire I and Fire II immediately just by looking at the suffix? They are spells for two different situations. I doubt that the classical suffixes would be more difficult. In fact, a suffix that for example would indicate an AoE spell would work better for new players. Cure II for example isn't exactly AoE.. In the end you actually need to read the tooltip to see what the ability does.

    Can you also explain why they in the JP version (and German version too?) use the original suffixes? Do you think SE thinks the English speaking group is some type of brain damaged one? I doubt it. I don't know how you think about this, but the "new player" argument is invalid when half does get classical suffixes and the other half doesn't. A bit contradicting isn't it?
    Maybe you should read that long quote in post #36, all your questions are answered there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winxbloom61 View Post
    Okay and yes im being seriose FIX THE NAMES OF SPELLS

    Fire II should be Fira fire 3 should be firage same with blizzard/thunder/bio/stone/aero/cure and so on dont take the classic names of spells from us PLEASE FIX THEM i seriosely cant play blm/smn/whm without getting angery at you for taking away the classic spell names
    Macro Name: Firaga
    /macroicon "Fire III"
    /ac "Fire III" <t>
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    Not to be rude OP and I hope not to offend anyone else by saying this but are you seriously judging spelling methods? Let them name the spells how they wanna name them... as long as Fire ain't giving you Blizzard effect or graphics then does it matter? >_>

    I'd think that it's "Working as intended." on this one. There will probably even be IV spells if we're lucky in the future so please look forward to it! OP.
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    Last edited by Lillia; 10-15-2014 at 12:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winxbloom61 View Post
    well w/e im just going to say this if you havent played the other final fantasy cancle your account now AND GO PLAY THE OTHERS 1- TO THIS ONE U DONT BELONG HERE UNTIL U PLAYED ALL THE OTHERS
    I literally laughed out loud at this.

    I'm not sure if you're just very young, not a great listener/reader, or what exactly, but...
    This statement has so little relevancy it's hilarious.

    We had the -ra -ga spells in 1.0 at launch as an extremely annoying clickable button. Most everything was AoE'able.
    Made for funny, frustrating times. The developers have consciously decided that, against your caps lock judgement, that it is more accessible to strangers to the series if they use the numerical nomenclature.
    Still classic FF.
    Still good.
    Doesn't hurt your experience.
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