SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[rachelqueen]

I am greatly dissapointed it what they did to mages...... the mp use on each spell is ridiculous.......and as for leves they are a total waste of time now unless for marks or faction points we tried all our usual leves and could only get max 230 or so sp per mob with s*** bonus 2k at end when we used to get 1k per mob easy...... my partner then went onto to try solo as it was said this meant to be for the aid of solo's and stuff the rest of us..... but low n behold best he coudl get solo was 150 per mob with ga... what they have done to leves is an absolute joke...rubbish for solo people esp mages and well they obviuously dont care about people that liked doing leves with friends as they f**** us soo bad you have to grind for hours on boring mobs to get sp and alot of breaking for mp just to get sp now........ SE you continue to dissapoit with patches but this one takes the bloody biscuit....... I did like trying raids...... but the rest just sucks

[Neptune]

Kensei, I know you're going to be dealing with page after page of people defending the sp in this patch like mentally ill asylum patients so I thought I'd stick my head in here. Getting less than 5 thousand sp after the completion of a guildleve is just insane. No question about it. There is no sense of accomplishment in getting 1-2 mobs worth of sp as a reward. In WoW, you would get a minimum of 15 times 1 mob's exp for completion of a quest, and most often around 110 times 1 mob's exp worth for a quest.

[Bled]

I am greatly dissapointed it what they did to mages...... the mp use on each spell is ridiculous.......and as for leves they are a total waste of time now unless for marks or faction points we tried all our usual leves and could only get max 230 or so sp per mob with s*** bonus 2k at end when we used to get 1k per mob easy...... my partner then went onto to try solo as it was said this meant to be for the aid of solo's and stuff the rest of us..... but low n behold best he coudl get solo was 150 per mob with ga... what they have done to leves is an absolute joke...rubbish for solo people esp mages and well they obviuously dont care about people that liked doing leves with friends as they f**** us soo bad you have to grind for hours on boring mobs to get sp and alot of breaking for mp just to get sp now........ SE you continue to dissapoit with patches but this one takes the bloody biscuit....... I did like trying raids...... but the rest just sucks

What is the difference from grinding with friends on random mobs, and grinding with friends on mobs in leves....?

People complained all day about how repetitive and boring leves were and her we are setting up the alternative and people are bitc**** about that. We had the player poles and the majority in the community said the leves needed to be pushed more to the back ground.

[OMEGA_HACK]

All im going to say is, this is only part one of the battle reform, I am sure they are all well aware of the situation and plan on having a way to gain sp, but it probably won't be implemented until AFTER the abolition of Physical Levels.

[Raim]

Kensei, I know you're going to be dealing with page after page of people defending the sp in this patch like mentally ill asylum patients so I thought I'd stick my head in here. Getting less than 5 thousand sp after the completion of a guildleve is just insane. No question about it. There is no sense of accomplishment in getting 1-2 mobs worth of sp as a reward. In WoW, you would get a minimum of 15 times 1 mob's exp for completion of a quest, and most often around 110 times 1 mob's exp worth for a quest.

Thats because you are comparing the easiest MMO on the market to one of the hardest to level in. We need to find a suitable middle ground that entertains the hardcore FFXI fanbase, but doesn't scare away new players.

[Nemo5990]

someone needs to add every dev tracker to this post we dont want a WOW but damn alittle more SP for killing somthing harder like dang why cap SP gain on mobs that are hard to kill like the biast in Coerthas to the right of Camp Glory max SP is the same as raptors an there rank difference is at least 9

[Kensei]

Yes there is not a HUGE amount of content but there is plenty to keep me interested at least till the next patch. Grinding is what you do in MMORPG's, as of right now it can not be avoided other than if SE handed you a R50 geared and ready for endgame. One day maybe there will be a hit MMORPG that has 0 grinding but for now to assume otherwise is foolish.

I do not buy into the SP being super nerfed line of thinking, you need to explore new ways of leveling outside of besiege and leves, both were nerfed for that exact reason. Like i said earlier i was soloing for 200-300SP random mobs near Silver bazaar with unsettling ease.

Behest reduced the grinding in a surprisingly effective manner. It provided a tolerable pace of progression.

As for your experience with decent SP, I don't know how much experience you have with the game but I can tell you 300 SP is very little and I considered that a waste of time pre-patch.

[SuzakuCMX]

Behest reduced the grinding in a surprisingly effective manner. It provided a tolerable pace of progression.

As for your experience with decent SP, I don't know how much experience you have with the game but I can tell you 300 SP is very little and I considered that a waste of time pre-patch.

Nobody in their right mind considered 300 SP a waste of time pre-patch. People were considering 100-200 SP per mob a good amount pre-patch. Just not for leves.

Also behests are/were grinds with a title attached.

[Kensei]

Nobody in their right mind considered 300 SP a waste of time pre-patch. People were considering 100-200 SP per mob a good amount pre-patch. Just not for leves.

Also behests are/were grinds with a title attached.

I don't know what people you were talking with. I made about 10-13,000 SP per behest in about 12-15 minutes. Try to get that with post-patch grinding. And no, it wasn't the same as grinding, it was more of an extended leve were mobs gave much increased SP and were relatively weaker than their world roaming counterparts.

[SuzakuCMX]

I don't know what people you were talking with. I made about 10-13,000 SP per behest in about 12-15 minutes. Try to get that with post-patch grinding. And no, it wasn't the same as grinding, it was more of an extended leve were mobs gave much increased SP and were relatively weaker than their world roaming counterparts.

Leves are also grinds. Pretty titles don't change anything. Also I was talking about outside of leves/behests, which is also what the person you quoted was talking about.