SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[TAS]

Well Since were quoting Yoshi, how about acknowledging the Part of that letter where it said "The Future of Ranking Up." Just maybe Yoshi acknowleged during the creation of the patch an error was made in the amount of EXP given from leves and mobs, and didn't want to risk delaying the patch for another extended period to make such ajustments, as the main purpose of the patch was to only emplement Grand Companies and Auto-Attack (as far as I'm concerned everything else was just a bonus).

Maybe Yoshi acknowledged the "nerf" and tried to explain that this won't be a permanent thing, as he also makes refrences to further adjusments to Leves, Partying, (and for all you complainers and melo-dramatics out there) THE BATTLE SYSTEM in patch 1.19 as he mentions in the formentioned Letter. (also keep in mind that, that letter came out the day before Patch and when he says "The Future of Ranking Up" he didn't directly say that the non nerfing was gonna take place in 1.18)

This is a whole new system and a whole lot of new content and I'm suprised so many people thought it as going to be Picture Perfect. Keep some enthusiasm and remain optimistic people, this is only the beginning!

[Raim]

So basically you want people to sit idly by while leveling becomes excruciating for the next few months with the hopes that they actually acknowledge this error in judgement?

[TAS]

Well if this is directed to me, if i recall correctly the Patch 1.19 was promised this summer, and the development of patch 1.18 was developed in a 1-2month span.

[Synthesis]

Leves are so low that I thought I will pass on these. Behest is joke. Grinding is low now, you have to wait very often for mage to recover his hp. (I have very small ls, we play in pt 4/4 with one mage) and grinding after patch becomes not fun anymore, for all people (4) in our ls, yes we are small. I am not alone with this opinion.

Progression was great before. Sp, etc.
Just leves could be improved to prevent no parties for lower ppl without these big3 bw leves, etc. But instead of leves improvements they screwed all in my opinion. But this still can be improved at 1.19.

On other hand Quests now give not so low amount of EXP, this will help a bit.

[Synfrag]

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So let me get this straight. Leves are no longer a viable source of leveling even as a means of solo content, according to reports. That leads us next to questing for SP, which is good! However, questing for experience will only help you cap even ONE disciple, and then you are left without any repeatable quests (Not leves) to level up others.

Finally, there is the most reliable leveling source currently, grinding parties. As I understand it, FFXI veterans are more than accustomed to this. However, how do you plan to get people playing your game if the only viable leveling option is to grind monsters for hours a day until you can go into 2 dungeons?

What is the difference between grinding in exp parties and grinding instances in other games? What else is there? Grinding repeat "kill x amount of this mob" quests? No thanks.

Leves are not that bad, people just don't understand them yet. I'm getting 3-5k SP per Levequest and finishing them in under 10 min solo. That's pretty much a full load of leves in about an hour for around 30k SP. To me that is about what it was before I stopped playing a couple months ago.

To whoever said 1500SP per kill I don't even know what to say about that. Alpha, Beta and Retail I have never heard of anything even close to that. Maybe it's a 35+ thing? I always thought there was a 400SP cap per mob. I must be mistaken...

[Raim]

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What is the difference between grinding in exp parties and grinding instances in other games? What else is there? Grinding repeat "kill x amount of this mob" quests? No thanks.

Leves are not that bad, people just don't understand them yet. I'm getting 3-5k SP per Levequest and finishing them in under 10 min solo. That's pretty much a full load of leves in about an hour for around 30k SP. To me that is about what it was before I stopped playing a couple months ago.

To whoever said 1500SP per kill I don't even know what to say about that. Alpha, Beta and Retail I have never heard of anything even close to that. Maybe it's a 35+ thing? I always thought there was a 400SP cap per mob. I must be mistaken...

You realize thats only 30k SP through leves every 36 hours, right? Also, theres a HUGE difference between questing in other games (Even when its a 'Kill 10 of X' quest) and grinding in FFXIV. For one, in FFXIV you generally would stay in one location, kill the exact same enemy the entire day, and not even have a drop of storyline to accompany it. Not to mention it just flat out takes longer than almost all modern MMOs.

[Synfrag]

You realize thats only 30k SP through leves every 36 hours, right? Also, theres a HUGE difference between questing in other games (Even when its a 'Kill 10 of X' quest) and grinding in FFXIV. For one, in FFXIV you generally would stay in one location, kill the exact same enemy the entire day, and not even have a drop of storyline to accompany it. Not to mention it just flat out takes longer than almost all modern MMOs.

Personally I would rather stay in one spot than run here, then run there, then run back to here. All the while reading retarded quest dialogues that I really don't care about. But that's just me I guess.

And yes, I do realize that, which is about as frequently as I play. You know, work, life yada yada that everyone shpiels. I only did 3 leves, grand companies quest and a little grinding and it felt like I made more progress than I did before in the same amount of time.

I'm not defending anything here. I was just saying it's not as bad as people are making it out to be.

[Raikki]

You realize thats only 30k SP through leves every 36 hours, right?

This is about how much SP I was getting per cycle before and I had no problem with it. Supplement with grinding/behest/whatever. Give it a few days and see if you can adapt. What is a reasonable SP/day goal for you? Rank 50 is about 1.8mil SP, so...

30K/36hrs = 3 months
30K/36hrs + 20K/day grinding = 1.5 months
etc.

None of that factors in doing quests which give SP now. That seems pretty casual friendly to me to be honest.

[Chronic]

Boo Hoo lol