MAGE STRIKE

[Shai]

ya know, Dusted off my r30 thm today to run toto rak. I nuked, I healed, I debuffed, and as the only mage to boot. Only times we got into serious trouble with the djigga groups. (Seriously after this amount of time people still cant make the connection between there mortal mist use and player weapons skills) all on a mp pool in the 600 range.

I'm not saying any thing one way or the other. And i realize toto-rak might not exactly be a litmus test for mage efficiency. But if a meat headed Marauder can manage this, don't know what it says about the people who have extensive time logged as dom with the appropriate stat builds.

The ability to do it and the desire to do it are different. You know what I'm saying?
I'm not really having a hard time healing in Darkhold, I just don't like that I'm no longer doing the things I used to do.
I had a lot of fun at Great Buffalo the day before patch. I was healing, nuking, DOT, I was constantly pacing myself and calculating what to cast when, I was even forced to "not overheal" and once (after Sonorous Blast drama) had to go passive and regen a tiny bit (note: tiny bit). That was fun to me. It was fun to be involved in a lot of things and to have so many things to do.

We weren't really taking a lot of damage in Toto-Rak until the boss fight and that was more the litmus test, I think. I don't think we really went in taking it seriously - all of us on jobs we're pretty unfamiliar with just doing what we think we should do on those jobs -haha and most of us spec'd to do the opposite (You MRD stats healing, me with 130 MND psuedo-not-really-tanking). 1 of the 2 ARC may have been spec'd to actually DD.

Anyway, it's just not fun to sit there and micromanage Cure to HP.
I enjoyed it in XI for a long time, but over the years I realized just how little I was "doing."

I dunno. I just don't like it. I also don't have much room on my bar for those things like Slow and Paralyze (not to mention they have ridiculous recast timers) now that I have to have multiple Cures for various situations so I don't waste MP over-healing a person and a couple extras for AOE "oh shit" situations. Before 1.18 I was all about DOT & debuff and now I'm too scared I won't have enough MP the next time All-Seeing Eye pins us down in a corner while we're juggling 3 moles. That's just how I play "strictly healer" though. Maybe I'm outdated.

[Shai]

Have no fear Neptune. They keep saying we're whining/complaining but when they die in battle, because we don't have enough MP to make "miracles" happen then the whining will be a shared effort.

You can manage your MP any way you want but it also depends on the rest of your party and how they play. Sometimes it just doesn't work the way you want it to. I'm not saying it should be easy enough to spam cure aoe but at least don't drastically raise the cost of cures all at once.

Are you kidding? Is this your first MMO? lol

They'll be yelling at you that you're an idiot and you didn't conserve MP enough.
They won't think maybe they pulled too much enmity.

Maybe I have a jaded XI experience with dooshbag elitist damage dealers.
Where I'm from, it was always the WHM's fault and on some occassions, the PLDs.
No matter what, really.

[AarosLunos]

I can't read this thread anymore. Mage Strike 2011.

Thanks for continuing to prove my point.

But so many people here act like this is the end-all-be-all final class adjustment EVAR for mages. Those who act that way are blind fools.

[Meleena]

You wanted healers right?
Learn to heal :P
Mage racism go!

[Neptune]

Another reason this situation is super ridiculous is the piss-poor targeting system. I don't feel bad if people are dying in my party because of how needlessly retarded it is to target them. 3 targeting modes? Are they serious? To force this much emphasis even upon willing healers while the targeting system is in shambles is beyond me..!

I am not saying it didn't need a balance, but this is not really what I wanted.

Exactly. That's why we should be left with options on how to play based on the purchase we made of this game in the beginning. If restrictions are going to be placed they need to be placed with options at the players' disposal. Multiple jobs per mage class at the very least, and the restoration of aoe to all spells. I think Thaumaturges would make a willing choice to lose aoe on Sacrifice if they could opt to the White Mage job.. but without a job system in place the changes are cruel.

Yeah. CON is not all about healing.

I can't read this thread anymore. Mage Strike 2011.

Completely agree. I prefer to be busy in tough fights.. using every ability at my disposal to its potential.. not waiting for a Curaga 2.

Anyway, it's just not fun to sit there and micromanage Cure to HP.
I enjoyed it in XI for a long time, but over the years I realized just how little I was "doing."

I dunno. I just don't like it. I also don't have much room on my bar for those things like Slow and Paralyze (not to mention they have ridiculous recast timers) now that I have to have multiple Cures for various situations so I don't waste MP over-healing a person and a couple extras for AOE "oh shit" situations. Before 1.18 I was all about DOT & debuff and now I'm too scared I won't have enough MP the next time All-Seeing Eye pins us down in a corner while we're juggling 3 moles. That's just how I play "strictly healer" though. Maybe I'm outdated.

No, you're not outdated. FFXI was just copying Everquest.. but everquest is not like Jesus Christ.. it doesn't need to be copied because it's the salvation for all mankind.. it was just a game that tried to entertain people as best it could at the time. Better gameplay should have surfaced by now.. and if the leaders of this game aren't brave enough to stick with it.. do us all a service and at least pay us some respect for investing in our characters by following the suggestions on this board - suggestions that won't break your plans, only bring some comfort to those of us upset over your actions.

Also Shai, is your name in homage to the band Shai Hulud?

[Shai]

Thanks for continuing to prove my point.

I just can't take how arrogant and selfish many of you sound.

Jesus, what if I said women belong in the kitchen. It's what God intended.
That's what some people are telling me about CON being strictly healer.

It's rude and uncalled for and based in complete fiction. If Conjurer was meant to heal and only heal and sit there as a dedicated healer and micromanage your HP all day, why do I have Fire & Flare? Just for solo? Is that what we're saying?

So like I could say women are welcome to have opinions as long as they don't think they really matter?
(Well Flare doesn't really matter, but back in the real world of Final Fantasy it's a kick-ass spell).

Stop pretending it's not offensive and biased (because it's coming directly from non-mages).
I wasn't put in this game to keep you alive.
I was put here to have fun the way I want to have fun - Quoth Tanaka & Yoshida.
Yet they talked out both sides of their mouths I guess because now I'm forced to play a very specific way.

[Shai]

It's an homage to the book & creature that the band Shai Hulud named themselves in homage to.

Dune

I think the band is ok, though.

MAGE STRIKE.

[Cantaffordheals]

Are you kidding? Is this your first MMO? lol

They'll be yelling at you that you're an idiot and you didn't conserve MP enough.
They won't think maybe they pulled too much enmity.

Maybe I have a jaded XI experience with dooshbag elitist damage dealers.
Where I'm from, it was always the WHM's fault and on some occassions, the PLDs.
No matter what, really.

Haha I totally agree Shai. I was just being sarcastic. I remember the XI days and of course the tankers seems to think they are invincible so the poor white mage slaves had to dish out cures like there was no tomorrow.

[Neptune]

I just can't take how arrogant and selfish many of you sound.

Jesus, what if I said women belong in the kitchen. It's what God intended.
That's what some people are telling me about CON being strictly healer.

It's rude and uncalled for and based in complete fiction. If Conjurer was meant to heal and only heal and sit there as a dedicated healer and micromanage your HP all day, why do I have Fire & Flare? Just for solo? Is that what we're saying?

So like I could say women are welcome to have opinions as long as they don't think they really matter?
(Well Flare doesn't really matter, but back in the real world of Final Fantasy it's a kick-ass spell).

Stop pretending it's not offensive and biased (because it's coming directly from non-mages).
I wasn't put in this game to keep you alive.
I was put here to have fun the way I want to have fun - Quoth Tanaka & Yoshida.
Yet they talked out both sides of their mouths I guess because now I'm forced to play a very specific way.

Seriously people from a differing perspective should take a moment to think about their DD class being changed into a buffer/support class and having all their DD abilities nerfed down to need to regenerate TP outside of combat before they criticize how mages feel about this patch.

It's an homage to the book & creature that the band Shai Hulud named themselves in homage to.

Dune

I think the band is ok, though.

MAGE STRIKE.

Nice, yeah I knew it was from Dune, but I don't remember what the Shai Hulud was. The 80s movie is one of my favorite movies. I haven't read the book yet. My good friend is friends with the drummer from the band.

[AarosLunos]

I just can't take how arrogant and selfish many of you sound.

Maybe you should re-read your posts.

Jesus, what if I said women belong in the kitchen. It's what God intended.
That's what some people are telling me about CON being strictly healer.

Errr no. No one said that at all. You're just inferring it. How many times must you be told that they'll likely continue making adjustments?

It's rude and uncalled for and based in complete fiction. If Conjurer was meant to heal and only heal and sit there as a dedicated healer and micromanage your HP all day, why do I have Fire & Flare? Just for solo? Is that what we're saying?

If you're having that much trouble, maybe you know some poor tanks as well. They can be just as much to blame here. If you are having issues because you have to heal multiple targets then obviously the tank in whatever party is failsauce. Though I will complain about is that War Drum, Taunts and Provokes are somewhat broken right now. But I doubt that was an intended 'feature'. I do believe that as a CON you should be able to use your DoT and elemental spells. But if you have to use curega too frequently then your tank sucks.

So like I could say women are welcome to have opinions as long as they don't think they really matter?
(Well Flare doesn't really matter, but back in the real world of Final Fantasy it's a kick-ass spell).

Not sure why your bringing on misogyny here, its a pretty poor analogy.

Stop pretending it's not offensive and biased (because it's coming directly from non-mages).
I wasn't put in this game to keep you alive.
I was put here to have fun the way I want to have fun - Quoth Tanaka & Yoshida.
Yet they talked out both sides of their mouths I guess because now I'm forced to play a very specific way.

Its not offensive. Its a class adjustment in a freaking video game.