SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Synfrag]

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So let me get this straight. Leves are no longer a viable source of leveling even as a means of solo content, according to reports. That leads us next to questing for SP, which is good! However, questing for experience will only help you cap even ONE disciple, and then you are left without any repeatable quests (Not leves) to level up others.

Finally, there is the most reliable leveling source currently, grinding parties. As I understand it, FFXI veterans are more than accustomed to this. However, how do you plan to get people playing your game if the only viable leveling option is to grind monsters for hours a day until you can go into 2 dungeons?

What is the difference between grinding in exp parties and grinding instances in other games? What else is there? Grinding repeat "kill x amount of this mob" quests? No thanks.

Leves are not that bad, people just don't understand them yet. I'm getting 3-5k SP per Levequest and finishing them in under 10 min solo. That's pretty much a full load of leves in about an hour for around 30k SP. To me that is about what it was before I stopped playing a couple months ago.

To whoever said 1500SP per kill I don't even know what to say about that. Alpha, Beta and Retail I have never heard of anything even close to that. Maybe it's a 35+ thing? I always thought there was a 400SP cap per mob. I must be mistaken...

[Raim]

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What is the difference between grinding in exp parties and grinding instances in other games? What else is there? Grinding repeat "kill x amount of this mob" quests? No thanks.

Leves are not that bad, people just don't understand them yet. I'm getting 3-5k SP per Levequest and finishing them in under 10 min solo. That's pretty much a full load of leves in about an hour for around 30k SP. To me that is about what it was before I stopped playing a couple months ago.

To whoever said 1500SP per kill I don't even know what to say about that. Alpha, Beta and Retail I have never heard of anything even close to that. Maybe it's a 35+ thing? I always thought there was a 400SP cap per mob. I must be mistaken...

You realize thats only 30k SP through leves every 36 hours, right? Also, theres a HUGE difference between questing in other games (Even when its a 'Kill 10 of X' quest) and grinding in FFXIV. For one, in FFXIV you generally would stay in one location, kill the exact same enemy the entire day, and not even have a drop of storyline to accompany it. Not to mention it just flat out takes longer than almost all modern MMOs.

[Synfrag]

You realize thats only 30k SP through leves every 36 hours, right? Also, theres a HUGE difference between questing in other games (Even when its a 'Kill 10 of X' quest) and grinding in FFXIV. For one, in FFXIV you generally would stay in one location, kill the exact same enemy the entire day, and not even have a drop of storyline to accompany it. Not to mention it just flat out takes longer than almost all modern MMOs.

Personally I would rather stay in one spot than run here, then run there, then run back to here. All the while reading retarded quest dialogues that I really don't care about. But that's just me I guess.

And yes, I do realize that, which is about as frequently as I play. You know, work, life yada yada that everyone shpiels. I only did 3 leves, grand companies quest and a little grinding and it felt like I made more progress than I did before in the same amount of time.

I'm not defending anything here. I was just saying it's not as bad as people are making it out to be.

[Raikki]

You realize thats only 30k SP through leves every 36 hours, right?

This is about how much SP I was getting per cycle before and I had no problem with it. Supplement with grinding/behest/whatever. Give it a few days and see if you can adapt. What is a reasonable SP/day goal for you? Rank 50 is about 1.8mil SP, so...

30K/36hrs = 3 months
30K/36hrs + 20K/day grinding = 1.5 months
etc.

None of that factors in doing quests which give SP now. That seems pretty casual friendly to me to be honest.