Fenrir in a duneon? Really SE, reallllllllly?

[Nuinn]

FFXI is a beast of a game.

if they can ditch ps2 and xbox360 platforms and move the game to ps4 and pc FFXI could pretty much flatten something as long as they could upgrade some graphics do stuff they wanted to try and fix a few things.

Then it could live for a few more years with more expansions.

I don't know why FFXIV and FFXI had to do this Level item stuff, I remember FFXI doing just well at level 75 with new bosses and stuff but 99 came along and item levels

I'd say it was a beast of a game. Today, it's just antiquated and cozily nested in nostalgia. They would have to revamp the mechanics entirely if they'd want to attract AND keep players. Which, in turn, would possibly make it a different game that "looks like old XI". I loved my years spent playing it, but if they brought it back, updated graphics and all and kept what I loved back then I don't think I'd bother....

[Beetle]

FFXI is a beast of a game.

if they can ditch ps2 and xbox360 platforms and move the game to ps4 and pc FFXI could pretty much flatten something as long as they could upgrade some graphics do stuff they wanted to try and fix a few things.

Then it could live for a few more years with more expansions.

I don't know why FFXIV and FFXI had to do this Level item stuff, I remember FFXI doing just well at level 75 with new bosses and stuff but 99 came along and item levels

I think the game would of been going strong still if they scaled some of the 75 content to 99. Not replacing it. Overhall XI to current gen would be very hard for them to do. They're better off making ARR more like XI.

[FallenWings]

I don't know about you guys but I prefer Shiva(oh my goddess!) over some mangy ice mutt.

[Tiggy]

Tupsi. A few things being similar doesn't mean all things will be similar. There are already considerable differences from XI in the XIV lore. It doesn't matter how many similarities you point you out because it's not a perfect 1:1 from XI. Just because 1 part is similar doesn't mean all of it will be. Any assumptions that the rest of the primals act like XI's primals are just that. Assumptions.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Where is Yojimbo primal battle?

[Tupsi]

Tupsi. A few things being similar doesn't mean all things will be similar.

The things I mentioned were something that carried over through the FF titles, including an entire content concept from a different FF game. So when you see inconsistencies like this it's natural to wonder and hard to try to dismiss by saying "it's a different game" when they carried over plenty from the 'different games', that was my point.

Any assumptions that the rest of the primals act like XI's primals are just that. Assumptions.

Ironically Bahamut in XI and Bahamut in XIV are similar, the only difference is Bahamut in XI didn't get to wreck us.

[Haprimac]

Now all we need is an arcanist subplot where Carbuncle gets fed up with being a lapdog and becomes a primal for us to fight, because it was a summon in the past FF-titles.

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... Yup.

[Moqi]

It's like some of you guys never played any other FF title other than XI.

[LegendWait]

I dunno why people are complaining about Fenrir. I never played XI, so the only FF incarnation I remember is the esper from FF6, witch wasn't THAT awesome.

Other then that Fenrir has a connection to Odin in Norse Mythology, nothing justify a position amonst the FFXIV primals.

Besides, they said primal are done after expansion. And it was long esthablised that the 6 elementals primal are Ifrit, Titan, Garuda, Levi Ramuh and Shiva. Unless they release a new element, I dont see why we would need another beast.

Alexander, on the other hand, thats gold coil material.

Odin, well he's there.

Siren MAY have deserved a place, then again look at the powers of the others. Does her heritage feel as powerfull as Leviathan or Ifrit? Not really.

Garuda's a surprise, but you can't put Typhoon or you compromise the lore for Ultros, witch is comic relief. Garuda in FF3 was quite an icon, and she's very well done in ff14.

Where does the Moogle king stands in all this? I dunno.

[Tupsi]

It's like some of you guys never played any other FF title other than XI.

Yeah, it becomes obvious otherwise people would see just how much is borrowed for XIV, being a fan service title and all. It's like saying that just because Bahamut was the 'king of dragons/wyrms' or 'powerful dragon' in other FF games in XIV he should be the end boss of Copperbell Mines because he's insignificant and this is FFXIV not FF (insert.)

I dunno why people are complaining about Fenrir. I never played XI, so the only FF incarnation I remember is the esper from FF6, witch wasn't THAT awesome.

That's the problem here - In other FF games, Bahamut for example was either a boss or a Summon (or both in some games), in FFIX, Bahamut Lagoon, FFXI and FFXIV he's obviously something more. Heck, in Type-0 he gets shot out the air and killed.

Garuda's a surprise, but you can't put Typhoon or you compromise the lore for Ultros, witch is comic relief. Garuda in FF3 was quite an icon, and she's very well done in ff14.

Didn't stop them from compromising Odin for this game Garuda isn't that surprising since XI wise for example she had the widest use of offensive Summons next to Fenrir and Diabolos, and her lore was actually pretty awesome - In XIV they gave her the same lore but with a more (vicious) twist.

Besides, they said primal are done after expansion. And it was long esthablised that the 6 elementals primal are Ifrit, Titan, Garuda, Levi Ramuh and Shiva. Unless they release a new element, I dont see why we would need another beast.

Every FF game there's shared and sometimes you have "beasts" and "humanoids" for example that share elements. So they don't always have to be beasts in all a Primal appears to be is just aether, which can shape into anything.