Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Gucci_Charms]

Begging Rants

So, if I hold the door open for a stranger, does that mean he's begging me to hold the door for him?

You folks takes others for granted because you don't see that there are real people on the other side of the screen and keyboard.

We don't know you, so we don't owe you anything.

[Alipoprocks]

Heck if you want to do a wedding, the invites you send are in fact begging for people to come to the wedding. You are not kings of ancient royalty where you can command attendance, and behead those that disrespect you by their absence or start war. You folks takes others for granted because you don't see that there are real people on the other side of the screen and keyboard.

Except that there is a big difference between begging for something and inviting someone to join you in an activity. Most people consider it an honor to be invited to a wedding.

[Dwill]

It doesn't matter what goals they have, or even what multiplayer online game you play. The fact that you need more players to be able to play Starcraft2, CoD, LoL, etc, allies and opponents a like, you are begging for other players to join your game. There are all sort of games and all sorts of sessions, and why should they join yours instead of someone elses? Anyone can ask for a farm party, what makes yours so special?

Heck if you want to do a wedding, the invites you send are in fact begging for people to come to the wedding. You folks takes others for granted because you don't see that there are real people on the other side of the screen and keyboard.

By your definition of begging, every sports team in existence begs players to join them. That makes absolutely no sense at all. Reality check: the actual meaning of the word begging as defined by the english language isn't your own, twisted and butchered definition of it.

Except that there is a big difference between begging for something and inviting someone to join you in an activity. Most people consider it an honor to be invited to a wedding.

Exactly. It's like he has no idea how the real world even operates. No sane person would think that a person inviting them to a wedding or asking them to be their best man/maid of honor would be an act of begging.

[NyarukoW]

By your definition of begging, every sports team in existence begs players to join them. That makes absolutely no sense at all...

I don't know about you, but last I checked Cleveland gladly begged Lebron James to go back to them and all the groveling Miami did was completely fruitless. The pay out the big salaries because they are begging for the players. Some team owners forget that and start acting like morons like Donald Sterling.

So there is no misunderstanding of the term.

Except that there is a big difference between begging for something and inviting someone to join you in an activity. Most people consider it an honor to be invited to a wedding.

It is an honor to attend and to be able to help the person doing the inviting. But invite is just a dressed up term for beg in a formal setting. Think about invite spam/junk mail from credit card companies, insurance,etc. begging you sign up with them? You get a special invitation junk mail from the local Lexus dealer to see their 2015 cars. They are all begging. Nobody short of the force of law can really force anyone to do anything. So if you are asking for others to help you, you are doing begging.

Does it mean the requester, the person doing the asking is helpless or powerless, certainly not. But if you doing the requesting, you certainly can't be rude about. I've never seen an invitation sent out with the intention of being rude. And putting a request of players on PF should be the same way. At the very minimum, it is rude to put a PF saying "no newbies wanted." So instead of doing that say, "holding tryouts for farm statics for XYZ."

[Gucci_Charms]

Begging world

So if you make a learning party and post it on PF, and you have a couple of veteran players come in there to help, does that mean they are begging to join your party?

[Dwill]

I don't know about you, but last I checked Cleveland gladly begged Lebron James to go back to them and all the groveling Miami did was completely fruitless. The pay out the big salaries because they are begging for the players. Some team owners forget that and start acting like morons like Donald Sterling.

So there is no misunderstanding of the term.

Businesses primary purposes is to make money. Paying someone a hefty sum of money means that said business (the sport team in this example) is confident on having a good ROI. To discuss the amout of said sum of money, it requires two party to sit together and talk, that's called a negotiation process, not begging.

Do you even have any clue how the real world operates ?

[Alipoprocks]

I don't know about you, but last I checked Cleveland gladly begged Lebron James to go back to them and all the groveling Miami did was completely fruitless. The pay out the big salaries because they are begging for the players. Some team owners forget that and start acting like morons like Donald Sterling.

So there is no misunderstanding of the term.

Again, that's not begging - that's purchasing. Huge difference.

[Aylis]

By your definition of begging, every sports team in existence begs players to join them. That makes absolutely no sense at all. Reality check: the actual meaning of the word begging as defined by the english language isn't your own, twisted and butchered definition of it.



Exactly. It's like he has no idea how the real world even operates. No sane person would think that a person inviting them to a wedding or asking them to be their best man/maid of honor would be an act of begging.

Just...give up lol, logic and reasoning have no place when talking to a brick wall.

[Ashkendor]

Except that there is a big difference between begging for something and inviting someone to join you in an activity. Most people consider it an honor to be invited to a wedding.

^ This. When I put up a party finder for farming, I'm inviting other players that wish to run that trial with me. I'm not begging. I'm not just looking for butts to warm the seats because when I want to farm I'm not looking to wipe repeatedly. I'm inviting other players that already know the content to come run it with me. If I don't get the players for it within about 15-20 minutes, I shrug and go on to do something else.

[NyarukoW]

Businesses primary purposes is to make money....

That doesn't mean they don't beg for help. All the NBA teams want Lebron and they all have the funds to do so if they don't mind flushing their current teams down the drain, so they were begging for him since 2 years ago. Many teams had the plans to beg for his services already in play from 2 years ago.

No sane person would think that a person inviting them to a wedding or asking them to be their best man/maid of honor would be an act of begging.

You take you friends and family for granted, that is why you say that. People don't realize when they are imposing on other people. Just like how they want to impose a "clearance condition" to players they never even met.

Again, that's not begging - that's purchasing. Huge difference.

You really thing so. When supply exceed demands, what is a seller but a beggar for a buyer? And when demand exceeds supply, what is buyer but a beggar for a seller. Sometimes I wonder if you people do real business in the real world. I've never seen humility ever work against yourself, even if you are in the position of more leverage.

So if you make a learning party and post it on PF, and you have a couple of veteran players come in there to help, does that mean they are begging to join your party?

If I put a PF, and anyone joins, I am doing the begging and I am happy to have anyone come help. I give them the benefit of the doubt, veterans or not, until they show they can not do it.