People kicking new players for watching cs's.....just stupid.

[SalemP]

When I first did it, I got left behind at the CS after the first boss. I didn't see the chute and ended up lost & confused, & no one would help me. I finally caught up to the others and skipped all the CSs. I regret doing this bc I really had wanted to see them but didn't want to get left behind/lost again. btw I was a tank at the time. It really ruined the experience for me. And on top of that, I didn't learn how to do the dungeon either.

and to those that say "use the PF", I'll skip the obvious "well speed runners can too" reply and instead say this: I was new to the game. Everything I did was for the first time. I never would have expected that was going to happen when I signed up for the DF for those dungeons.

[SalemP]

Now when doing the Main Scenarios, I play as a WHM. I wait for others bc it bothers me that people insist they skip CSs. Sometimes they'll run ahead without us but some tanks will wait when they see they are missing one of their healers. The other day, one of our DPS was watching a CS and I just stood in front of the elevator. One of the other players slapped me. I said I was waiting for the other player. To my surprise and delight, three other members in the group followed suit and waited throughout the dungeon for him. In addition, we used that time being friendly and chatting, and tbh it was the most fun run I've ever done with strangers.

I have yet to be in a dungeon where people try to kick someone for watching CSs though. I'd probably leave if that happened, and I've never left a DF before.

[VesperValveto]

Sorry, but it's perfectly legit to kick someone for holding up the entire group for watching the CS. If you want to watch the CS, put together a group yourself. If you don't, then don't get upset when you get kicked from the group and a GM informs you that nothing wrong was done.

"Although we understand the impact that is caused after being removed from a duty finder group, please be aware that Game Masters will be unable to take action if a group member has been removed due to a player dispute, or if their game style differs (i.e. skipping in-game cutscenes, disagreement on using specific boss encounter tactics etc).

To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc)."

Greetings!

However, there is one topic in this thread that seems to be an underlying point of contention: reasons for dismissal that are not strictly "AFK", "Offline", "Harassment", or "Cheating". I would like to address this.

The response from the GM touched on this, although it was missed due to the focus on the first part of that sentence. The reasons for dismissal are not all encompassing, which means that there may be valid reasons for dismissal outside of those four examples. Good examples of this that have been provided in this thread are the refusal to fulfill one's job function. Because of this, it is possible that the reasons provided for dismissal may be found to be accurate if they are used against you. As well, the feelings one may have about the reasons may differ from the feelings of those who voted to dismiss. For example, cultural differences in language may have one person using language they find fairly benign while another person takes great offense to it.

Because of these subjective discrepancies, the final decision on if a violation of the use of the vote dismiss feature is left to a GM after an investigation. In general, abuse of the vote dismiss feature is considered to be a grief tactics violation, which falls under section 3.2 in the Final Fantasy XIV User Agreement. However, it is only after a GM investigation that it can be determined to be a violation of the rules. If you feel that the vote dismiss feature has been abused, please do report it to the GMs through the Help Desk in game, and we will investigate.

LGM Enkrateia

[hallena]

I don't kick people for watching cutscene but i don't wait for them either.

[Tridus1x]

Hate to break it to you folks, but forcing people to skip cutscenes via DF is reportable. I personally enjoy fast runs of CM/Prae, but if I join through DF, I take what I can get and make no demands. Why do I do this? Because DFs sole purpose is to give you the unfiltered/vanilla experience of whatever your trying to do.

Hence comes the PF, which allows players to run a dungeon in a certain way. They even have a text box that explains what you are trying to do. This is just a totally random example /wink: LFM Prae Speed run. Skip CS. i100+ only. Feel free to copy/paste that, it's on me. So that is why the PF is in the game, when is the last time you saw a Garuda HM light farm party require the vanilla group composition? People like Dhex here, they would join DF Garuda HM to grind out there nexus, then blame the extra healer and tank for being there. Hell maybe he'll kick them and hope the game alters its code to give him a 6 DPS group. :P

[Sartori]

We just finished the last two missions, and we had to skip the cut scenes. We tried to watch the first ones but got left behind every time and didn't know what was going on. It was frustrating because we had to watch the scenes later, but it isn't the same when you aren't in the environment.

Happened to me the other day and I was skipping the cut scenes lol. What happened is they all had that option enabled to skip cut scenes if you watched them but I on the other hand, had to wait for them to load, then skip. So there was some time invloved in doing that and in the mean time they all were screaming through the dungeon and I lost them. And nobody was explaining anything about what to do either so yeah, its going to keep happening unless you get in with a good group which is few and far between I'm sorry to say

[VesperValveto]

Hate to break it to you folks, but forcing people to skip cutscenes via DF is reportable. I personally enjoy fast runs of CM/Prae, but if I join through DF, I take what I can get and make no demands. Why do I do this? Because DFs sole purpose is to give you the unfiltered/vanilla experience of whatever your trying to do.

Hate to break it to you, but it's totally not a reportable offense. GMs have already weighed in and they said they will not get involved in disputes over playstyle difference kicking. You can be upset about it all you like, but don't lie to people.

Also, that vanilla experience logic is just nonsense. If that was the case then everyone should be synced down to fresh 50 stats, which doesn't happen.

[NyarukoW]

See:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...st-playthrough

This kind of trouble caused by speed runners happen too often. The system should just disable cutscene skipping when the 1st-timer bonus is being paid out. This a simple fix that can applied across the board on all dungeons/instances.

Additionally, they could allow the 1st-timers that are not in pre-formed party vote to deny the bonus from being awarded. That would really put a stop to people being a nasty to first timers.

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Hate to break it to you, but it's totally not a reportable offense. GMs have already weighed in and they said they will not get involved in disputes over playstyle difference kicking. ...

These forum lawyers sure like to play word games with TOS. Don't believe them even for a second. When enough people report the same speed runner to the GM, they will investigate that speed run. If you attach logs of their verbal abuse and vote kick abuse, they will receive the punishment that they earned.

BTW this what I do about CM and Prae:

I The first step to being responsible is to not turn a blind eye to the situation. I report every one those speed runners abusing 1st-timers to the GM. That is the very least people can do. Second step, I organize people from my FC, 2 tanks or 2 healer to go with the 1st-timer and put a stop to anyone trying to force the 1st-timer to skip cutscenes. And the third step is to ask for the devs to disable the cut scene skipping when the 1-timer bonus is being paid out. ...

[SalemP]

Just bc you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD. Demanding new players skip content just so you can shave time off your 2000th run is pretty rude. And having the gall to kick them is on a whole other level. And if you don't think so, all it does is speak to your character tbh.


Vesper - wow you actually have that in your signature. wow. try harder to validate yourself lol.

btw just to remind those that disagree - you are reaping extra rewards from the new players. The LEAST you can do is thank them by showing a bit of patience.

[Genesis-xyx]

I'm not engaging in this cyclical argument that's been beat to death.

Use the Party Finder if you want content to be run a specific method. Get over it.

I'm not reading through all these posts but wouldn't this work the same way for if you wanted to skip cutscenes? If anything you should use party finder if you want them skipped more likely to find a full obliging group for that. People with your mentality frustrate me to no end.