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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegakiyohime View Post
    I just did and yes, you are doing something incredibly wrong. You blew your gil on Tier IVs when in many cases tier 3s would have sufficed. I mean you have a piece of 200k materia (Command IV) in the head piece of all things, and that could have been used on 3s for your other piece. It's just miraculous how wasteful your spending seems to be on your weaver's meld. You could have easily made the requirement with a million gil, you just saw the fancy overpriced T4s and went for that.
    You know there's something horribly wrong with the crafting system when you absolutely NEED optimal melds for anything.

    That said, Vanya doesn't have particularly high requirements, so I'm still baffled as to how you fail to meet the minimum standards. I've never even owned 1 million gil, and I play on legacy servers where the materia prices tend to be more inflated, yet my stats are more than high enough to cope with Vanya, HQ or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    You know there's something horribly wrong with the crafting system when you absolutely NEED optimal melds for anything.
    This, actually, sounds more like they're doing it RIGHT. A crafter SHOULD be encouraged to strive for perfection. A crafter who cuts corners and skimps to save money will still be successful. They'll have plenty of things that they can craft and sell. But for the crafter who wants to explore the very limits of what their craft can do, there should be tiers that are unobtainable unless they obtain the best gear, meld it to the max, and know their class well.

    This is the divide between crafters who craft to make money, and crafters who craft because they LOVE crafting (not that they hate making money, but it's a secondary thing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    This, actually, sounds more like they're doing it RIGHT. A crafter SHOULD be encouraged to strive for perfection. A crafter who cuts corners and skimps to save money will still be successful. They'll have plenty of things that they can craft and sell. But for the crafter who wants to explore the very limits of what their craft can do, there should be tiers that are unobtainable unless they obtain the best gear, meld it to the max, and know their class well.

    This is the divide between crafters who craft to make money, and crafters who craft because they LOVE crafting (not that they hate making money, but it's a secondary thing).
    Do you have a crafter who is able to do 3 Star crafts? 100% Quality does not mean you will finish the crafting.
    At least having the best of the best and maxed everything should at least give you a betther chance and not about just 70% chance!

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Not sure if this is correct, but I heard the new dyes will only be available from your retainer obtaining them.
    It is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackoutz View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukiko View Post
    It is correct.
    That's interesting, and I have no issue with it, as long as they're not so incredibley rare like some of the minions/mounts/vanity items in the game. Especially, because I've been wanting a proper black and white dye for a long time (as I'm sure most people have).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    That's interesting, and I have no issue with it, as long as they're not so incredibley rare like some of the minions/mounts/vanity items in the game. Especially, because I've been wanting a proper black and white dye for a long time (as I'm sure most people have).
    if it is as rare as the other rare items from retainers, they are very rare, finding one won't be that big a problem, but finding several since they are consumable, that I see being a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukiko View Post
    Do you have a crafter who is able to do 3 Star crafts? 100% Quality does not mean you will finish the crafting.
    At least having the best of the best and maxed everything should at least give you a betther chance and not about just 70% chance!
    Yes, I am a crafter who does three-star crafts. I recently finished a set of Ruby accessories for my brother, all HQ, no NQ failures.

    I love the fact that there's an element of risk involved. There's no 100% rotations that will get the job done. You need to carefully consider each step of the synth, every step of the way. Comfort Zone just wore - should I use another, or will the synth be done before ten more steps? I haven't gotten a lot of Goods this run, and I doubt I'm going to get more than 80% Quality; should I Reclaim and scrap it, or hope that 80% pans out?

    Using your brain, calculating probabilities to max out your chances, rather than mindlessly spamming a 100% rotation you found on the Internet - this is what crafting really SHOULD be about! It's a step up from FFXI's crafting system since you have some control over whether you HQ or not, and it's also a step up from 1- and 2-star crafting where you could churn out HQ results with your eyes closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    I love the fact that there's an element of risk involved. There's no 100% rotations that will get the job done. You need to carefully consider each step of the synth, every step of the way. Comfort Zone just wore - should I use another, or will the synth be done before ten more steps? I haven't gotten a lot of Goods this run, and I doubt I'm going to get more than 80% Quality; should I Reclaim and scrap it, or hope that 80% pans out?
    So you are one of those who never had 7 explosions in a row...
    I hope you never experience it, good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukiko View Post
    So you are one of those who never had 7 explosions in a row...
    I hope you never experience it, good luck.
    You seem to assume an awful lot. Have I lost valuable materials to a failed synth? Of course. Twice in a row with Reclaim up, at one point, but also on occasion without Reclaim, due to misjudging how much CP or durability I have remaining, or taking a risk and doing that final Synthesis step without Steady Hands.

    The thing is, though, when these mistakes happen, they are all MY doing. There is NO randomness involved when it comes to failing a synth; any crafter capable of attempting the synth in the first place can finish a synth, as long as they have all the proper cross-class abilities and reserve the proper amount of durability and CP. If a recipe explodes, it's because the crafter took chances in order to try to increase the quality (or, possibly, because it's their first time doing a high-level synth and were not prepared for the difficulty).

    Don't assume that all crafters look at the risk of failure in the same light as you do! From the sounds of it, for you it indicates a flawed system. For others, it's the one of the things that keeps crafting interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
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    What you say is hurting like needles, please just slap us in face, its not as painful as having explosions after another happen...
    Maybe you should have a look on the topic where we discussed about RNG in crafts, there are some of those in forum, use search!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackoutz View Post
    Naja ich hab einfach gemerkt, dass man mit Mut und Freundlichkeit viel weiter kommt und den Menschen eine Freude macht :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    You know there's something horribly wrong with the crafting system when you absolutely NEED optimal melds for anything.
    The this is though, you don't really need optimal melds for anything. At the end of a day, you have a set Craftmanship/control that you need to hit, yes, but there are more than enough ways to hit it given the stat caps on gear. Melding your crafter is just a game of finding the most efficient path for yourself. Heck, my crafters are melded in ways that vary depending on the cost of materia and what I got from spiritbonding while melding them. Hell, i've never put a piece of Tier IV materia in any piece of gear and I am able to craft anything comfortably and reliably.
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