Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[NyarukoW]

You don't condone exclusion, but you condone someone joining a farm party with 0 experience and wiping the party only cause they need to learn? In a farming party.

Where have I ever promoted the notion that newbies go join farm parties to wipe people? I just say people that want to farm should have their parties together already, but if they are using the PF, they do NOT have the right to exclude newbies. The PF is not tool for them to exclude people. If they happen to get newbie, they should help the newbie learn. If you don't want to do that, don't abuse the PF.

Gear != skill, but a win ...

A win/clear does NOT equal knowledge or skill of the mechanics either. They could have been dead in the corner from being to end of a instance and got a clear too.

.. Stop acting like veteran players owe you anything and must help you.

I do NOT owe them veteran players anything either. I do NOT want to help them or join their farm parties so they can be stuck on the PF forever just like the clear selling parties, and other advertisements.

The system also does NOT owe the farming people a way for efficient farming if they are not going to put in the effort to recruit and tryout people. If you want to have stuff on farm status, have your 4/8 man static set and have a schedule in place. Do NOT abuse the PF to be rude and inconsiderate and excluding people from participation.

The "clearnace condition" is just one more lousy schoolyard antics of the older sibling trying to exclude their younger sibling from participating. You know your parents will never approve and neither will SE.

[Magis]

FFXIV doesn't allow much margin of error when doing fights. Adding a healer who keeps dieing means the tank will probably die during a healing check (ie: swarm), adding an inexperienced tank means the boss may point in the wrong way wiping the group, or the tank dies and adds can't be dealt with. Adding inexperienced DPS can cause DPS checks to fail like briar, hornet, or T7 adds. This doesn't even take into account jobs everyone has to do like avoid petrifying everyone, breaking vines, or lining up during Raff's laser attack.

Farming/clear parties are built for one thing only. They gladly take you if you can do the basic strat and perform a clear without dieing. Otherwise you are just ruining what they were started up for. If you need to learn, start a learning party.

[Yoninxi]

Where have I ever promoted the notion that newbies go join farm parties to wipe people? I just say people that want to farm should have their parties together already, but if they are using the PF, they do NOT have the right to exclude newbies. The PF is not tool for them to exclude people. If they happen to get newbie, they should help the newbie learn. If you don't want to do that, don't abuse the PF.



A win/clear does NOT equal knowledge or skill of the mechanics either. They could have been dead in the corner from being to end of a instance and got a clear too.

I'm convinced you're trolling now.

[LegendWait]

Absolutely NOT. What are the compensatios? The salary wage payouts? Seriously, you guys abusing the PF think too highly of yourself. This is the entitlement mentality, you think the rest of the player base is your servants, slaves that should just show up at your beck and call? That is rude and inconsiderate to the utmost.

Salary is the collective objective set in the PF finder example: what we are farming for.

The rest of the player base? Slaves? That would imply that they'd work for free.

Basicly your logic makes ME a slave to the rest of the player base because I SHOULD accept to give my farming time on teaching them NO MATTER WHAT.

Are you 12? You don't even know what you are talking about, just stop now.

You are actually preaching something you cannot do yourself. You are telling vet players to carry people on the purpose of..? Virtue? .. yet you cant even clear stuff yourself.

[NyarukoW]

I'm convinced you're trolling now.

You know what that sound like ... "But MOM!!"
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Mom goes, "but what"

You say "my brother is too slow"

Mom tells you, "help your brother include him in your games"

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It is not about efficiency, it is about including everyone. The clearance condition is wrong and bad at every level. Your priorities are wrong, and the "clearance condition" will NOT be a easy button to farming heaven.

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Salary is the collective objective set in the PF finder example: what we are farming for.
...Basicly your logic makes ME a slave to the rest of the player base...

That hardly sounds like being paid for service. That is a shared objective, so they are not your slave, and they are NOT being hired either. It is people coming together with an agreement to achieve said goal. You are not slave nor are they, and you are not some employer nor are they your employee. So you don't get to exclude them with some bogus "clearance condition" that does NOT equate to skill anyways.

And it is your logic that is broken. You don't have to teach if you don't want to, but still don't get to exclude people. You can wipe and you can vote abandon, and try someone else. You do NOT get to shortcut this process, nor do you have a right to shortcut this process. If you are using the PF, you are at the mercy of people joining to help you. You are begging, beggars can not be choosers.

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And just like newbies are no more entitled to free carry/clears, nor are any of you entitled to get a "clearance condition" button for easy farming. It doesn't matter if you put in the time to learn the fight etc. If you want to farm you need to put in the time and effort to recruit. The PF is not there for you to abuse. And you certainly do NOT get the right to divide up the player base and promote clear sells and RMT in turn. So leave well enough alone, let things be as they are.

[Yoninxi]

wat

There you go comparing people without clears to disabled people again.

Give me one good reason why I should spend my limited daily time teaching people I don't know and I'm in no way shape or form obligated to help? If I want to help people I join a learning/clear party to help them.which I do often. If I want a farm, ie quick repeated kill party, I'm not gonna be bothered with teaching anyone. I'm sure that anyone joining the farm party shares those same sentiments.

We already did our time dying hundreds of times to learn the content. Why should people without clears be able to bypass that and try to get free carries?. And before someone jumps in, I am NOT talking about people who are able to kill it, but just haven't put the nail in the coffin yet.

Notice how I keep bolding learning / clear party? Maybe you'll catch on and realize what they're for and stop comparing people without clears to people that need handicap ramps or are mentally slow.

[NyarukoW]

There you go comparing people without clears to mentally disabled people again

I don't know about your brother. But my brother was certainly not mentally disabled, he was just little shorter and when we were kids and played basketball they would steal the ball from out under him, and we would lose the game again and again. Probably you guys are single child and got that entitlement mentality, but I was told share and put up with the extra difficulty levels they add.

...If I want a farm, ie quick repeated kill party, I'm not gonna be bothered with teaching anyone. ...

If you can NOT be bother to teach, why should the universe or the rest of the server be obliged grant you your quick farm party? You don't even bother to network and recruit, just want to abuse the PF. This is entitlement mentality clear and obvious.

In practical terms, putting up a PF asking for multiple clear and farm is really bait to get people that are lazy like the PF host who didn't bother to do the legwork to organize a static, and the people to lazy to have practice will be baited right into these farm parties and they really do deserve each other. When lazy meets lazy, you get the mess you got. You do NOT need nor deserve a "clear condition button", you got each other.

[Kerwin]

Clear conditions would be an acceptable setting to party finder in my opinion. To many times I see newbies join a "only if you cleared" party and then lie and expect to get carried. It just removes the hassel and any drama that is involved with removing that person there after. Sure some people would be salty they can't join in the first place but they will just have to learn elsewhere. Via DF or Learning, progression party.

[Gucci_Charms]

Clear conditions would be an acceptable setting to party finder in my opinion. To many times I see newbies join a "only if you cleared" party and then lie and expect to get carried. It just removes the hassel and any drama that is involved with removing that person there after. Sure some people would be salty they can't join in the first place but they will just have to learn elsewhere. Via DF or Learning, progression party.

^This person speaks the truth.

Blah blah blah I like Carries and Ninja Wins blah blah Blah

Your arguments to this thread offer no validity and contribute nothing to date. Common things I have noticed throughout all your troll posts are the following:

You have selective reading.
You have double standards.
You are a hypocrite.
You do not understand what entitlement means.
You do not understand what proactive means.
Your posts imply that a party comprising of 7 people who put in the actual time and effort and that do not want to teach new players like yourself are rude, lazy, and inconsiderate because they won't let you join their farm/previous win party. In reality, however, it is actually the opposite. It is new players like you who are inconsiderate, lazy, and rude when it comes to wasting these parties time.
Your counter arguments go to extremes which make zero sense and add nothing to the current debate such as the usage of mentally disabled or handicap people.
You fail to understand the purpose of Party Finder.
You clearly support leeching and ninja wins.
If veteran players don't help you, they're automatically labelled as the bad guys or elitists.

Lastly, you make zero sense and provide zero effort in thinking about what you post as a response. They are based off emotional rants with little or zero context.

[NyarukoW]

.. in my opinion. ..

^This person speaks the truth.

They said opinion. You can't tell opinion from truth.

The reality is this, and I'll quote myself:

In practical terms, putting up a PF asking for multiple clear and farm is really bait to get people that are lazy like the PF host who didn't bother to do the legwork to organize a static, and they people to lazy to have practice will be baited right into these farm parties and they really do deserve each other. When lazy meets lazy, you get the mess you got. You do NOT need nor deserve a "clear condition button", you got each other.