Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Shougun]

Oh boy. So according to your irrational views, no farm parties should be allowed? Pardon me, but what function has the Party Finder if I cannot search for people who are in the same boat I am? What is the difference to Duty Finder where you only have to deal with what you get?

This thread is highly entertaining and the twisted views some people showed in here are truly amazing. Is it really so hard to understand that some players want to sometimes form a party of kill experienced players? Is it really beyond your imagination that sometimes people want to get something done quickly? Why on Earth do you claim a right for new players to join FARM parties where several kills are part of the join requirements?

And why is it suddenly a crime against Humanity to look for a specific party? I thought Party Finder is exactly for that. Each requirement you set excludes people. Item level, job presets. All these elements take care that some players cannot enter a party. How is a clearance checkbox different from that? It really isn’t.

But this would prevent some of you guys from lying and that’s the main reason for being against it I assume. Item Level is something you can blow up with crafted items or PVP items. You can also bypass specific job requirements by going in with the needed class you do not know to play as good as your main job. But a clearance check box can’t be tricked and I guess this doesn’t sound too appealing for the Pretenders in the Game.

This is really ridiculous. Alone thinking about a mechanism that would prevent you from lying and stealing yourselves into kill parties seems to be getting under your skin. Why? Because some seem to claim a right to enter whatever party they want to. “Those mean elitists want to be closed fight clubs b-b-but I just want to learn”. That's all I get from the "contra"-responses. That you put your needs higher than the needs of others to just do something quickly seems to be irrelevant.

Ever thought about being proactive and look for groups that fit to your needs? Ever thought about spending hours on your own to form a party? If there are not enough training parties or “aim to kill” parties open in PF, why not just open one by yourself? Nope, hopping in each party that's on PF no matter what they ask for in the description is much easier and potentially quicker, I know.

Yes there are players without a win who just need a good party. Yes, there are talented players who learn quickly. Also Yes to there are players who bought the win or were dead while the rest of the party won. But that’s not the topic. You can’t eliminate all possible causes of problems when you form a party with Strangers. The topic is to at least have a little Safety that all players have seen the end of a Fight already. This is not the solution to everything but it would put all the liars to an end who enter such groups and reveal that they have 0 kill/farm experience when you enter the Raid and see the Myth bonus line in chat.

My concern isn't that it happens or should or shouldn't be punished, but that making it easier to find "easy runs" will make the button more popular than it already is to do it, making it -more- likely that a player has to do DF (if that is even an option for certain contents) or just don't do the content. I've seen this happen in MMOs even without a know your stuff button, and as I said before I can't say how widespread the button would be after implementation but that I can only assume the mindset would be more common. Problem is especially bad as content gets older. Learning parties are not as popular to join as not, since everyone wants what is easy (including the people trying to sneak in and those wanting this button to stop the sneakers, smeagol).

I see the intention here as one of less stress, a good intention if you are on the right side of the fence - but I don't think it is better for the community when the general expectation becomes "to get in, you need to have already been in". "Well find a learning party lazy scrub" - "people" are limited resources, people who would pick the harder option when they can easy mode the easy option even rarer, and so specially over time being a lazy scrub is not really reasonable anymore.

People having the right to lie, I'm not suggesting that - I think you should ask and announce yourself in, and GMs have already said that agreements at the door can be enforced (people sneaking in unannounced should be aware of that, specially if they start to kill the run).

What if we had learning dungeons about a week or two after the content is out with limited rewards:
Perhaps if every actually hard dungeon had an optional Echo Playback, where you could travel around and remember the memories of other adventurers who went through an area. Learn key parts of the dungeon solo and then after completing all memories you are counted as "completed". Could add it to the DF too.. This would increase the average know how of players in the queue, though of course some people just don't care - I've wiped to Titan HM in a party of all ilvl100+. Thinking to myself, how? lol

Having to complete a dungeon's memory sequence as each particular trinity type you want to join in, however there could be a one time seal or gil reward for each job. I say a week or two because you want the first wave to know nothing, it is a unique experience - and also over time people will be less interested in taking new people to hard contents, so this is my suggestion on allowing new people the reasonable option to earn their ticket into content queues (PF/DF).

I know it is a compromise from just never having to deal with new people but again it's not about letting people lie it's that the path to a bad community can be paved with the lazy and good intentions.

Lore wise you could have the first week or two of players completing content get placed into a pool of names the game can pull out and have you "experience", it shouldn't be a replay but you could just give a tip of the hat to the fore runners and also make legitimate explanation why a new dungeon not existing before is now "echo"-able.

@Gucci please stop assuming everyone is a lazy noob, it is insulting and inaccurate. The system will further divide because the system is defined to not allow certain groups in, by definition of the system it is just.. it makes no sense to say it wont. It has to, that is the feature of the button. By how much, that is arguable though.

[Gucci_Charms]

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New players does not equal everyone. Also my posts have reasons outside being lazy. Thank you very much.

The system we're referring to is Party Finder. It is designed to filter out players for your party needs. If a specific party is looking for previous winners only, what business does a new player have to join it outside trying to get an easy win/carried?

If a specific player isn't necessarily new but has made it to the very last phase of the fight and is familiar and confident with their abilities to down it with that group, they can easily /tell the Party Leader if they can be allowed to join.

Everyone has equal opportunity to use Party Finder and post or search for parties that accommodate their needs. If there is not a learning party, then make one? It takes less than 10 seconds. Don't just jump into a farm/previous win party to learn the fight expecting them to welcome you with open arms - because they likely won't. Joining that group just to have them wipe for hours because you actually have no prior experience or never beaten it is just straight up inconsiderate and rude.

[NyarukoW]

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The system we're referring to is Party Finder. It is designed to [B]NOT[B] filter out players for your party needs.

Fixed it for you.

If a specific party is looking for previous winners only ...

That is flat out wrong use of the party finder. It is has how you put it? See:

it is just straight up inconsiderate and rude.

If you want to farm, get your 4 or 8 players you know well and go farm. Don't put PF looking to exclude people.

What you can do is have farm tryout parties of the PF, and let people try out to see if they can make your cut. Then you an farm all you like.

[Gucci_Charms]

Does not make sense Party Finder Rant Arguments

Party Finder is open to anyone.

Party Finder enables players to filter for people based on specific criteria.

If you ever need fill ins for your farm or clear group, you post it in Party Finder.

LOL. I know for a fact you wouldn't make the cut since you clearly don't have any coil i90/110 or primal gear.

[Ashkendor]

Fixed it for you.

That is flat out wrong use of the party finder. It is has how you put it? See:

If you want to farm, get your 4 or 8 players you know well and go farm. Don't put PF looking to exclude people.

What you can do is have farm tryout parties of the PF, and let people try out to see if they can make your cut. Then you an farm all you like.

I don't have words. ._.

[StubHub]

Don't put PF looking to exclude people.

So as it stands now. The PF currently has check boxes to identify the play style of the PF group.

One of them reads. "Story-Focused, no cutscene skipping"

This is exclusionary to me as someone who does not desire to watch the story again. Why should people be allowed to exclude me as i simply just want to enter, and complete the duty as fast as possible.

You're either a hypocrite with an extreme bias towards people with different playstyle preference than yourself. Or an idiot. Or both.

[Gucci_Charms]

So as it stands now. The PF currently has check boxes to identify the play style of the PF group.

One of them reads. "Story-Focused, no cutscene skipping"

This is exclusionary to me as someone who does not desire to watch the story again. Why should people be allowed to exclude me as i simply just want to enter, and complete the duty as fast as possible.

You're either a hypocrite with an extreme bias towards people with different playstyle preference than yourself. Or an idiot. Or both.

You made me LOL literally +1!

[NyarukoW]

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One of them reads. "Story-Focused, no cutscene skipping"
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That is not exclusionary in anyway whatsoever. It is there to protect the 1st-timers and newbies from trolls and speed runners looking to make a mess of things. The player can choose to join or not join, whereas a clearance condition takes that choice away from the players. So don't even try to compare the two.

[Gucci_Charms]

Suggestions

A clearance option would reduce and prevent new players from running into such risks. Right now, entering a farm or previous wins only party with no prior experience means that person would likely end up getting booted and blacklisted not long after they join. Having such a filter would save peoples time from the get-go.

The clearance option would also give new players more incentive to train harder and learn the troublesome fights. That's really the best and only way to keep training at "higher standards." If veteran players want to help, they will join by their own free will.

That is not exclusionary in anyway whatsoever. It is there to protect the 1st-timers and newbies from trolls and speed runners looking to make a mess of things. The player can choose to join or not join, whereas a clearance condition takes that choice away from the players. So don't even try to compare the two.

That's the point of the clearance condition - so you don't join in the first place and they don't have to deal with your crappy performance that waste everyone's time. So technically, the new player would be the one making the mess out of things.

Farm or previous win parties that don't want you to join because you're new and have no experience means they're trolls now? LOL... wow...

[NyarukoW]

That's the point of the clearance condition - so you don't join in the first place ...

The PF host should NOT have the system grant them the power to exclude people. The "Story-Focused, no cutscene skipping" in no way excludes anyone, and it doesn't stop trolls from joining either, but it just stops them from skipping cutscenes.

You want power granted to the PF creator more so than they should have or rightfully deserve. If you want to farm, you need to recruit, and give people the chance to try out. The PF functions perfectly fine for that purpose, and it brings people together to achieve a goal, and not so that it can exclude people. The "clearance condition" not only does not work and divides the community, it is just way for lazy people who don't want to work thru the networking and recruiting process to find the people for their farm group. How was it you put, be proactive, and not expect the system to give it to you.

Your double standard is disgusting. ....

There is no double standard. You people take for granted the people that join and help fill out your parties so you can do stuff. You fail to see that you are benefitting from the kindness of others, and that the power to join should always remain with the players joining, and the party creator, using the system like the "clearance condition" to exclude them. To put it bluntly, if you are on the PF, you are begging, and beggars do not have the right be choosers.