Can you please Ease Up on Atma now?

[Lemuria]

Atmas shouldn't be given out like cake either. So I'm rather skeptical for a drop rate increase.

Genuinely curious now... why shouldn't they?

Atma does... well, literally NOTHING to strengthen your weapon. No stat boosts, no increase in ability, just simply boosts the ilvl of your stick by 10. Does making Atma more accessible suddenly mean everyone is running around with full Zodiac? Not on your life. So, I ask again... why is Atma the worst possible grind for literally ZERO reward?

As with all things, the end has to justify the means. Right now, it simply doesn't. In order to get to the same level as everyone else using SOLDIERY weapons you need both the Atmas AND the insane amount of Myth tomes, AND you need to complete all the tasks assigned therein. My argument is that the latter is grind enough to prevent people from powering through this quickly.

So, one last time. Why shouldn't Atma be practically given away? It has no benefit to the player and serves only to add an extra wall to an already boring grind. A wall which is both dull and without reward, both during and after. I think it's time for these archaic practices to be consigned to the depths of Hell from which they were spawned.

[Havenchild]

Genuinely curious now... why shouldn't they?

Atma does... well, literally NOTHING to strengthen your weapon. No stat boosts, no increase in ability, just simply boosts the ilvl of your stick by 10. Does making Atma more accessible suddenly mean everyone is running around with full Zodiac? Not on your life. So, I ask again... why is Atma the worst possible grind for literally ZERO reward?

As with all things, the end has to justify the means. Right now, it simply doesn't. In order to get to the same level as everyone else using SOLDIERY weapons you need both the Atmas AND the insane amount of Myth tomes, AND you need to complete all the tasks assigned therein. My argument is that the latter is grind enough to prevent people from powering through this quickly.

So, one last time. Why shouldn't Atma be practically given away? It has no benefit to the player and serves only to add an extra wall to an already boring grind. A wall which is both dull and without reward, both during and after. I think it's time for these archaic practices to be consigned to the depths of Hell from which they were spawned.

It shouldn't be a hand out for the best possible weapon in game either. You can grind all of your Animus Books in 3 Days or less. You can fully meld a Novus in 1 day (depending on how much Alexandrite you have and considering Hunts have been around for a huge time, players have several Allied Seals stacked up for Alexandrite purchasing). Nexus? 3 Days of spamming HMs. What drop rate would they make for atma that's noticeable by the public and not a complete speed race within an hr?

What's bad is not the drop rate for it (which yes is based on luck), what's bad is no other option to obtain the atma themselves. You honestly think as many people would have complained even to this day if people could have been guaranteed an atma in 100 or so fates with a chance at one from the fate itself? No because people who claim to have done thousands of fates would have had several sets of all 12 by now.

Essentially giving out the best weapon in the game @ current and well into TCOB till the new end game weapon from coil is given, for less then a week of effort. Not imbalanced at all?

[Taliph]

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Dunno what game you are playing, but last I checked novus cannot be done in a day (unless you stockpiled alexandrite... But then it still wouldn't be a day, would it?)

I won't even start on the rest of the ridiculousness that is your post.

[Havenchild]

Dunno what game you are playing, but last I checked novus cannot be done in a day (unless you stockpiled alexandrite... But then it still wouldn't be a day, would it?)

I won't even start on the rest of the ridiculousness that is your post.

Any player who is getting into the Nexus grind only recently has had several opportunities to stockpile 75 Alexandrite.

I've been on Novus now for 3 Days? Simply because I didn't have the Alexandrite because I long since stopped doing Hunts after I got all my Sands and Oils, Months Ago. Which btw, you could have still got all of your oils and sands with just log books alone, without using any Allied Seals and still got all of your alexandrite stockpiled.

I as well as several other people went from pretty much Zeniths to Novus (Alex) grind in 5 Days with relatively no Atma to begin with. Now on Day 8, I only need 23 melds left on the Novus, and that's only gated by my lack of Alexandrite, not materia. Cant get Nexus in 3 Days? Surely you must live under a rock as it's been done already. This quest line is pathetically easy and the only true pain was the Atma personally. Animus books were grindy but these are cakewalk with Hunts giving a plethora of myth (The original gate of animus books).

No gibberish here buddy, all facts and doable. Atma is the worse step in this process and now quite frankly, the only true gate on this weapon.

[Granyala]

What's bad is not the drop rate for it (which yes is based on luck), what's bad is no other option to obtain the atma themselves.

The whole point of the Atma grind is to infuse the FATE system with new participants, esp in the low level zones.
Why else do you think there is no Atma drop in Mor'dhona or in Coerthas?

Giving an alternate way of acquisition would defeat the purpose of Atma.

Implementing a 100 FATE failsafe counter would not. It would only eliminate the extreme low end of the RNG spectrum and would make sure that everyone who invests the time gets the upgrad-... pardon, new lick of paint™ in the end.
Only one of my Atmas even took over 100 FATEs, most dropped between 20 and 40.

[Lemuria]

It shouldn't be a hand out for the best possible weapon in game either. You can grind all of your Animus Books in 3 Days or less.

3 days? I'm not entirely sure if you're insane or legitimately stupid. Each book requires 1500 myth, and you need 9 of them. That's a minimum of 135 dungeons assuming you're able to get 100 tomes per run, or 68 S-rank hunts assuming you get the maximum amount from each run. Each book requires you to complete 3 fates, which randomly spawn and often can take HOURS before they respawn (I waited 4 hours for one Fate) and also requires 3 dungeon runs per book. Add another 27 dungeon runs.

Since you can only carry a maximum of 1500 tomes and 1 book, you have to do this in stages rather than 'saving up before', so the argument you can prepare in advance is out of the window immediately. Oh, and all of this marvellous work? All this just gets you a weapon which is identical to an ilvl 100 weathered weapon. It's not until you get Novus that you're "on-par" with a full i110 soldiery weapon.

So don't give me that rubbish about 'giving out the best weapon in the game'. It's about as useless as a pointy stick until its upgraded fully, and that's far from a short road. Please come back until you're ready to give a logical argument, not one based on fantasy.

I like how Havenchild and I have shot numerous holes in everyone's complaints, yet we're the odd folk out. I guess people would rather wallow and complain. Misery loves company, right?

No, you've been using the same tired arguments as everyone else, arguments which have time and time again been proven to be utter rubbish. Make an intellectual argument instead and maybe we'll pay more attention.

[WellGramarye]

After grinding out Atma for a week, I've been grinding out the Animus books as fast as I could making nearly 2500 Myth a day (through Roulettes (600-900 depending,) Beast quests (about 60~) and Hunts (80 a pop 1 rotation of A rank = 1360,) and doing about book a day (the fates REALLY slow it down,) and it still took about two weeks. I can't see anyone doing it much faster without staying up 24/7 for a week.

[Havenchild]

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Right now with current game, I have personally finished all my Animus Books in 3 Days as well as my friends have in roughly the same amount of time once we focused on it. There is no true myth wall on animus books atm because they're quite literally being handed to you on a silver platter now via Hunts and Roulettes.

230 Myth from Main Story Roulette, (Because theres always a new player here, you will almost ALWAYS get a new player in Main Story Roulette so thats always 100 myth.)
100 Myth from clearing T5 or EX primals, I carry randoms as a farming source with my friends for Myth when I'm bored.
Hunt A train- 1360 = Every 4 Hrs Daily
Hunt S ranks at random but 200 Myth per
Trials Roulette, 100 for 3 mins of work

Work on your books, Stack Myth in the meantime, have people help with camping your fates via LS. Check your fates per 10 mobs/Dungeon.


During the brayflox SR days,yes Animus was a new kind of hell past atma because Hunts didn't exist, but please stop keeping that relevant to current game, because it is not.

Maybe it is only the hardcore players that know how to bust this content out efficiently because everyone else just seems to be finding it absolutely impossible.

Atma I have said multiple times simply needs a definite option. Since it is now the largest wall to cross DUE to RNG based content, you can be either very lucky or very unlucky and that's just how that plays. I just don't think you should be able to get all of your atma in less then an hr either.

I'm on Day 4 now for Novus, and I've only been stuck on this because I didn't have the Alexandrite beforehand. This would have been a one day thing for me otherwise.

[Exstal]

I'm doing easy mode relic because was too lazy to do it when it was new

You could have just said that.

I don't agree with easing of Atma but every other part of the relic has been made easier since inception so your original argument is asinine. I still think 3 days or less Animus is a load of bull but I'm entitled to my opinion.