Can you please Ease Up on Atma now?

[Havenchild]

Genuinely curious now... why shouldn't they?

Atma does... well, literally NOTHING to strengthen your weapon. No stat boosts, no increase in ability, just simply boosts the ilvl of your stick by 10. Does making Atma more accessible suddenly mean everyone is running around with full Zodiac? Not on your life. So, I ask again... why is Atma the worst possible grind for literally ZERO reward?

As with all things, the end has to justify the means. Right now, it simply doesn't. In order to get to the same level as everyone else using SOLDIERY weapons you need both the Atmas AND the insane amount of Myth tomes, AND you need to complete all the tasks assigned therein. My argument is that the latter is grind enough to prevent people from powering through this quickly.

So, one last time. Why shouldn't Atma be practically given away? It has no benefit to the player and serves only to add an extra wall to an already boring grind. A wall which is both dull and without reward, both during and after. I think it's time for these archaic practices to be consigned to the depths of Hell from which they were spawned.

It shouldn't be a hand out for the best possible weapon in game either. You can grind all of your Animus Books in 3 Days or less. You can fully meld a Novus in 1 day (depending on how much Alexandrite you have and considering Hunts have been around for a huge time, players have several Allied Seals stacked up for Alexandrite purchasing). Nexus? 3 Days of spamming HMs. What drop rate would they make for atma that's noticeable by the public and not a complete speed race within an hr?

What's bad is not the drop rate for it (which yes is based on luck), what's bad is no other option to obtain the atma themselves. You honestly think as many people would have complained even to this day if people could have been guaranteed an atma in 100 or so fates with a chance at one from the fate itself? No because people who claim to have done thousands of fates would have had several sets of all 12 by now.

Essentially giving out the best weapon in the game @ current and well into TCOB till the new end game weapon from coil is given, for less then a week of effort. Not imbalanced at all?

[Taliph]

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Dunno what game you are playing, but last I checked novus cannot be done in a day (unless you stockpiled alexandrite... But then it still wouldn't be a day, would it?)

I won't even start on the rest of the ridiculousness that is your post.

[Havenchild]

Dunno what game you are playing, but last I checked novus cannot be done in a day (unless you stockpiled alexandrite... But then it still wouldn't be a day, would it?)

I won't even start on the rest of the ridiculousness that is your post.

Any player who is getting into the Nexus grind only recently has had several opportunities to stockpile 75 Alexandrite.

I've been on Novus now for 3 Days? Simply because I didn't have the Alexandrite because I long since stopped doing Hunts after I got all my Sands and Oils, Months Ago. Which btw, you could have still got all of your oils and sands with just log books alone, without using any Allied Seals and still got all of your alexandrite stockpiled.

I as well as several other people went from pretty much Zeniths to Novus (Alex) grind in 5 Days with relatively no Atma to begin with. Now on Day 8, I only need 23 melds left on the Novus, and that's only gated by my lack of Alexandrite, not materia. Cant get Nexus in 3 Days? Surely you must live under a rock as it's been done already. This quest line is pathetically easy and the only true pain was the Atma personally. Animus books were grindy but these are cakewalk with Hunts giving a plethora of myth (The original gate of animus books).

No gibberish here buddy, all facts and doable. Atma is the worse step in this process and now quite frankly, the only true gate on this weapon.

[Exstal]

You're the odd one out though, Havenchild.

You didn't start relic when it was new so you have the easy version. First Animus was 6+ days after release, first Novus was something like 6+ days after release (no hunts).

[Taliph]

Yes, all facts, all contradicting your point of "best weapon in less then a week"

Hence ridiculousness

[Granyala]

What's bad is not the drop rate for it (which yes is based on luck), what's bad is no other option to obtain the atma themselves.

The whole point of the Atma grind is to infuse the FATE system with new participants, esp in the low level zones.
Why else do you think there is no Atma drop in Mor'dhona or in Coerthas?

Giving an alternate way of acquisition would defeat the purpose of Atma.

Implementing a 100 FATE failsafe counter would not. It would only eliminate the extreme low end of the RNG spectrum and would make sure that everyone who invests the time gets the upgrad-... pardon, new lick of paint™ in the end.
Only one of my Atmas even took over 100 FATEs, most dropped between 20 and 40.

[Nyhmrae]

I like how Havenchild and I have shot numerous holes in everyone's complaints, yet we're the odd folk out. I guess people would rather wallow and complain. Misery loves company, right?

[Taliph]

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What "holes"? The "get bis weapon in a week" thing?

Maths:
Banked effort + current effort /= current effort

If someone banked alexandrite, then did novus in a day, that doesn't mean one day effort went into the novus.

How about one of you respond to the actual issue... The fact that pure RNG is inherently unfair to anyone that falls into an outlier group?

Nothing to say about that? Or is your response "Lolz u r just whiners" like 99% of those opposed to easing atma?

I swear, it's like all empathy in the human race has gone the way of the dinosaur.

[Granyala]

I like how Havenchild and I have shot numerous holes in everyone's complaints, yet we're the odd folk out. I guess people would rather wallow and complain. Misery loves company, right?

Being oblivious about the mathematics and complications of raw RNG != shooting holes in a complaint.

There is no logical reason not to implement a failsafe as for most folks it would not make anything easier at all. It would only prevent people from inputting a lot of effort for nothing in return.

Yes I know there are alternatives and that the relic is mostly a vanity item.

[Nestama]

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I'm speaking from 2.2 to now. Atma is almost (or is) six months old now, with nothing changed. Back when 2.2 first came out, the only way you could get a weathered Soldiery weapon was to beat Turn 7. That was the only way. Thankfully, we had Leviathan to get vastly superior to Atma weapons, which could also be upgraded to i100, once again vastly superior to the Atma weapons. Why is it that something that required more skill and effort (at the time) and otherwise more fun, much easier to acquire than a single Atma piece from something that is supposedly casual content?

I honestly want to know why you're defending the RNG in Atma, especially when things like Wave weapons and Soldiery weapons (far superior to Atma weapons) are now easier to acquire. As a heads up, I already have my Novus. I do not feel accomplished having this junk, but sadly it's my BiS :/