Can you please Ease Up on Atma now?

[Havenchild]

You stopped having a valid opinion when you got it in 8 days.

There are people who have been trying for hours every day for months and didn't get a full set.

You don't suddenly lose credibility on an opinion simply because I got it faster then you did or others. I agree the Atma is the WORST part of this quest chain I fully agree as well their should be a NON RNG option for it.


I can't disregard the fact I was lucky enough to get my atmas fairly quickly but I also can say I busted my ass for hours on end farming them. Several of my friends as well as myself farmed them up from 0 within 3-4 days as well after the Nexus patch.

You have a mix of several people saying they've farmed their atmas for days on end, when there are also some who claim the same and they maybe put an hr or less into it. These both different types of people shouldn't count towards the claim atma has terrible drop rates. It's not great but it can drop if you persevere at it, but then again most people on this game aren't THAT dedicated to one thing so it seems like endless grind and maybe to those who put extensive hrs into it, it rightly is 'endless'.

They only need to add something that's progressional for atma and it will be solid enough to be ok. Grind for one, with a chance of getting one by luck. Atmas shouldn't be given out like cake either. So I'm rather skeptical for a drop rate increase. Exactly how much would be fair? You shouldn't be allowed to get all your atma in less then an hr either.

[Alukah]

You shouldn't be allowed to get all your atma in less then an hr either.

The current system allows you to get all 12 atmas in less than an hour if you're lucky enough, so it's a moot point.

A step 100% reliant on a 1% rate is bad, those who get lucky will end up not working for it, making the moronic argument that "it's not meant to be a handout" extremely ironic, and guess who usually make that kind of argument? Those got their atma handed out.

Hypocrisy is strong in this thread.

[Nestama]

You shouldn't be allowed to get all your atma in less then an hr either.

A friend of mine got seven Atma in an hour. Funny how RNG works :I

[Lemuria]

Atmas shouldn't be given out like cake either. So I'm rather skeptical for a drop rate increase.

Genuinely curious now... why shouldn't they?

Atma does... well, literally NOTHING to strengthen your weapon. No stat boosts, no increase in ability, just simply boosts the ilvl of your stick by 10. Does making Atma more accessible suddenly mean everyone is running around with full Zodiac? Not on your life. So, I ask again... why is Atma the worst possible grind for literally ZERO reward?

As with all things, the end has to justify the means. Right now, it simply doesn't. In order to get to the same level as everyone else using SOLDIERY weapons you need both the Atmas AND the insane amount of Myth tomes, AND you need to complete all the tasks assigned therein. My argument is that the latter is grind enough to prevent people from powering through this quickly.

So, one last time. Why shouldn't Atma be practically given away? It has no benefit to the player and serves only to add an extra wall to an already boring grind. A wall which is both dull and without reward, both during and after. I think it's time for these archaic practices to be consigned to the depths of Hell from which they were spawned.

[Havenchild]

Genuinely curious now... why shouldn't they?

Atma does... well, literally NOTHING to strengthen your weapon. No stat boosts, no increase in ability, just simply boosts the ilvl of your stick by 10. Does making Atma more accessible suddenly mean everyone is running around with full Zodiac? Not on your life. So, I ask again... why is Atma the worst possible grind for literally ZERO reward?

As with all things, the end has to justify the means. Right now, it simply doesn't. In order to get to the same level as everyone else using SOLDIERY weapons you need both the Atmas AND the insane amount of Myth tomes, AND you need to complete all the tasks assigned therein. My argument is that the latter is grind enough to prevent people from powering through this quickly.

So, one last time. Why shouldn't Atma be practically given away? It has no benefit to the player and serves only to add an extra wall to an already boring grind. A wall which is both dull and without reward, both during and after. I think it's time for these archaic practices to be consigned to the depths of Hell from which they were spawned.

It shouldn't be a hand out for the best possible weapon in game either. You can grind all of your Animus Books in 3 Days or less. You can fully meld a Novus in 1 day (depending on how much Alexandrite you have and considering Hunts have been around for a huge time, players have several Allied Seals stacked up for Alexandrite purchasing). Nexus? 3 Days of spamming HMs. What drop rate would they make for atma that's noticeable by the public and not a complete speed race within an hr?

What's bad is not the drop rate for it (which yes is based on luck), what's bad is no other option to obtain the atma themselves. You honestly think as many people would have complained even to this day if people could have been guaranteed an atma in 100 or so fates with a chance at one from the fate itself? No because people who claim to have done thousands of fates would have had several sets of all 12 by now.

Essentially giving out the best weapon in the game @ current and well into TCOB till the new end game weapon from coil is given, for less then a week of effort. Not imbalanced at all?

[Taliph]

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Dunno what game you are playing, but last I checked novus cannot be done in a day (unless you stockpiled alexandrite... But then it still wouldn't be a day, would it?)

I won't even start on the rest of the ridiculousness that is your post.

[Havenchild]

Dunno what game you are playing, but last I checked novus cannot be done in a day (unless you stockpiled alexandrite... But then it still wouldn't be a day, would it?)

I won't even start on the rest of the ridiculousness that is your post.

Any player who is getting into the Nexus grind only recently has had several opportunities to stockpile 75 Alexandrite.

I've been on Novus now for 3 Days? Simply because I didn't have the Alexandrite because I long since stopped doing Hunts after I got all my Sands and Oils, Months Ago. Which btw, you could have still got all of your oils and sands with just log books alone, without using any Allied Seals and still got all of your alexandrite stockpiled.

I as well as several other people went from pretty much Zeniths to Novus (Alex) grind in 5 Days with relatively no Atma to begin with. Now on Day 8, I only need 23 melds left on the Novus, and that's only gated by my lack of Alexandrite, not materia. Cant get Nexus in 3 Days? Surely you must live under a rock as it's been done already. This quest line is pathetically easy and the only true pain was the Atma personally. Animus books were grindy but these are cakewalk with Hunts giving a plethora of myth (The original gate of animus books).

No gibberish here buddy, all facts and doable. Atma is the worse step in this process and now quite frankly, the only true gate on this weapon.

[Granyala]

What's bad is not the drop rate for it (which yes is based on luck), what's bad is no other option to obtain the atma themselves.

The whole point of the Atma grind is to infuse the FATE system with new participants, esp in the low level zones.
Why else do you think there is no Atma drop in Mor'dhona or in Coerthas?

Giving an alternate way of acquisition would defeat the purpose of Atma.

Implementing a 100 FATE failsafe counter would not. It would only eliminate the extreme low end of the RNG spectrum and would make sure that everyone who invests the time gets the upgrad-... pardon, new lick of paint™ in the end.
Only one of my Atmas even took over 100 FATEs, most dropped between 20 and 40.

[Lemuria]

It shouldn't be a hand out for the best possible weapon in game either. You can grind all of your Animus Books in 3 Days or less.

3 days? I'm not entirely sure if you're insane or legitimately stupid. Each book requires 1500 myth, and you need 9 of them. That's a minimum of 135 dungeons assuming you're able to get 100 tomes per run, or 68 S-rank hunts assuming you get the maximum amount from each run. Each book requires you to complete 3 fates, which randomly spawn and often can take HOURS before they respawn (I waited 4 hours for one Fate) and also requires 3 dungeon runs per book. Add another 27 dungeon runs.

Since you can only carry a maximum of 1500 tomes and 1 book, you have to do this in stages rather than 'saving up before', so the argument you can prepare in advance is out of the window immediately. Oh, and all of this marvellous work? All this just gets you a weapon which is identical to an ilvl 100 weathered weapon. It's not until you get Novus that you're "on-par" with a full i110 soldiery weapon.

So don't give me that rubbish about 'giving out the best weapon in the game'. It's about as useless as a pointy stick until its upgraded fully, and that's far from a short road. Please come back until you're ready to give a logical argument, not one based on fantasy.

I like how Havenchild and I have shot numerous holes in everyone's complaints, yet we're the odd folk out. I guess people would rather wallow and complain. Misery loves company, right?

No, you've been using the same tired arguments as everyone else, arguments which have time and time again been proven to be utter rubbish. Make an intellectual argument instead and maybe we'll pay more attention.

[WellGramarye]

After grinding out Atma for a week, I've been grinding out the Animus books as fast as I could making nearly 2500 Myth a day (through Roulettes (600-900 depending,) Beast quests (about 60~) and Hunts (80 a pop 1 rotation of A rank = 1360,) and doing about book a day (the fates REALLY slow it down,) and it still took about two weeks. I can't see anyone doing it much faster without staying up 24/7 for a week.