Urgently Change your Approach SE

[TeaTimeBear]

Is it really the servers or the crappy state of the north american internet that's the real problem? I lean to the internet being the source of most peoples problems, but many people don't understand how the internet works and they don't know how to diagnose their problems properly.

Shouldn't you consider this when marketing over seas?

[Tiggy]

Shouldn't you consider this when marketing over seas?

Perhaps, but that still doesn't make it a server problem. They could add a cluster that's more convenient for south american and Australia, but that doesn't mean the servers themselves are bad. Despite the fact many people seem to think that's the problem. The servers have been stable outside of patch nights for quite a while now.

Also, the poor interconnects between the backbone providers isn't something SE can do anything about, and it's a condition that changes year to year. You can't exactly up and move the whole data center because the internet starts working poorly. As far as we know they evaluated the internet and data center and everything looked good at that time. It's easy to go back with hindsight and act like they should have known, but it probably wasn't a problem when they picked that data center.

[SythSynner]

Is it really the servers or the crappy state of the north american internet that's the real problem? I lean to the internet being the source of most peoples problems, but many people don't understand how the internet works and they don't know how to diagnose their problems properly.

I live in the NA and use a JP Data Center and have zero issues when it comes to servers. Ping and pocket traffic are all at good levels. Before I was on a server that was in the NA Data Center, did not go so well. I hated it. I think it has to be who, where, and what is hosting the Data Centers. Personally I believe the NA Data Center hosts are crap compare to the JP Data Center Hosts.

Now I could be wrong with how the whole Data Center bit works, but from what I seen personally.... everything got better (server wise) after xfering to a JP Data Center.

Plz, feel free to current me if I am wrong.

Side Note: Ever notice how the NA Data Centers go down for X reasons while the JP Data Centers remain up? That alone should explain everything.

[Tiggy]

Level3, Verizon, and Cogent have been well documented to be points of failure on the internet lately. (Use http://www.internetpulse.net/ during prime time to see how bad it gets lately) It's probably that by connecting to Japan's data centers you are entirely bypassing those nodes. So it makes sense that you potentially would see the problem going away by changing data centers based entirely on where you live in the country.

Also, you must consider that some ISP and backbone providers throttle certain kinds of data and FFXIV seems to fall prey to that.

It's these two things that make programs like WTFast so effective. You can route around the bad nodes, and it masks your data so it doesn't appear to be a video game therefore bypassing the packet sniffer's attempts to throttle.


TLDR: It's a more complex issue than "I have lag so the servers suck." Google around a bit and you'll see other games are having this problem too.

Side Note: Ever notice how the NA Data Centers go down for X reasons while the JP Data Centers remain up? That alone should explain everything.

No it doesn't. It's a physically distinct location. One can go down without effecting the other for various different reasons. It doesn't begin to explain anything.

[Theresa]

Is it really the servers or the crappy state of the north american internet that's the real problem? I lean to the internet being the source of most peoples problems, but many people don't understand how the internet works and they don't know how to diagnose their problems properly.

Most of the things they say they cannot do or add to the game is because the servers don't allow it. I'm not talking about lag.

[Shougun]

The kind of game you want doesn't exist in modern MMOs anymore. Accept it.

There are still hardcore obtuse mmos! :P

Is it really the servers or the crappy state of the north american internet that's the real problem? I lean to the internet being the source of most peoples problems, but many people don't understand how the internet works and they don't know how to diagnose their problems properly.

Size and position matters in larger areas, and time of implementation - not saying our ISPs are not blood thirsty bums but if SE wanted to give me 20ms connections they could have not chosen a distance about equal to what I already had lol. My connection to Japan was about the same as to Canada's top right, I'm on the west coast (~100 to ~100 lol). East coast friends went from ~130 to ~20 though.... lucky.. kupo nuts.

Edit: to make it more obvious I'm not mad at SE, 100ms is good - I dodge Weight of the Land no problem without having to "pre-dodge" it (although at the start of ARR servers were over loaded so.. that was kind of hard lol, but every MMO I've played has had that). Mostly I wanted to point out that when a system was implemented, how big the system is, and location of server in relation to all that speed issues - because of the location choice their NA server made no difference in ping, which I laughed at but am not flipping any tables for.

[Tiggy]

not saying our ISPs are not blood thirsty bums but if SE wanted to give me 20ms connections they could have not chosen a distance about equal to what I already had lol.

Didn't realize you were the center of the universe. My bad.

[SythSynner]

No it doesn't. It's a physically distinct location. One can go down without effecting the other for various different reasons. It doesn't begin to explain anything.

Right, this is what I mean. Now I stop playing a bit after 2.1 came out, I just got back into the game about a month ago. So plz, once again, correct me if I am wrong. But between Headstart and 2.1 NA Data Centers went down often. (If I am not mistaken, more then the JP Data Centers). While I been back I have again seen where the NA was down while JP was up.

What I was trying to say is... wouldn't the cause of the bad servers be due to crap hardware (or whatever you want to call it) in said Data Center?

Would you want to ride in a High Speed Car or an old 1990s Dodge Neon?

[Shougun]

Didn't realize you were the center of the universe. My bad.

Did not say I was, neither did I say SE was terrible for doing it. I even laughed and made a joke of being jealous of my eastern friends, no need to be rude ;(

[Koanyan]

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Hey WeiShan have a news for you , all ARR stuff are Tanaka work , he have said all of them (or maybe) when he have done XIV. So now let's stop the joke . Say me the idea come from some designer & programmer that was with him : yep .But Stuff that have hit on the game like 1 year after Tanaka go back to XI that is purely a joke right. Also if I remember right Tanaka have explain fail of XIV 1.0 by the fact that he wasn't managing the staff at all , and it letting them free to do what they want, so basically all that was in 1.0 wasn't the work of Tanaka if what he have said is true.

After the battle system that all 1.2X player love so much that have come after, have been released the 12-12-2011 with patch 1.20 so 1 year after Tanaka have leave , but yep Tanaka have done it.For those interested patch of 1.0 , Tanaka have resigned on december 2010.