Why shouldn't someone be allowed to watch the cutscenes on first playthrough?

[Kaethra]

What can we do to make both sides happy?

That's easy and I've suggested it multiple times in this thread and others.

We compromise.

Vets lets Newbies watch cutscenes.
Newbies let Vets play through the dungeon.

Everyone is happy as Vets get their quick run, newbies get to watch cutscenes. Both get an extra 100 mythology.

Its a win win situation. Everytime I've done this, everyone's been happy and I walk away with 3-6 commendations.

[TeaTimeBear]

That's easy and I've suggested it multiple times in this thread and others.

We compromise.

Vets lets Newbies watch cutscenes.
Newbies let Vets play through the dungeon.

Everyone is happy as Vets get their quick run, newbies get to watch cutscenes. Both get an extra 100 mythology.

Its a win win situation. Everytime I've done this, everyone's been happy and I walk away with 3-6 commendations.

That to me defeats the purpose of getting the cutscene.

[Kaethra]

That to me defeats the purpose of getting the cutscene.

How so? Everyone I've ran with gets to watch the cutscenes. Occasionally they get locked out of Nero, but that's pretty rare. And locking out of the Colossus is even rarer then that. They always get to do Gaius and Ultima because it puts them in the Arena after the CS is done.

People are going to rush though, you can't stop that. Force them to watch the CS or take it off the Roulette so it can't be farmed means 4hr queues for the newbies. How does that help them?

Compromise is the way to go. Newbies get to do the dungeon and get to watch the cutscenes, vets get to get their 200 Myth from a quick run. Why wouldn't both sides be ok with this? If one side is unwiling to compromise, then they are part of the problem and causing the hate and the arguments. Not the ones willing to compromise.

Like I said, I get 3-6 commendations for my actions. It means those newbies are liking it. And the vets too. Just try it.

[RyuDragnier]

That's easy and I've suggested it multiple times in this thread and others.

We compromise.

Vets lets Newbies watch cutscenes.
Newbies let Vets play through the dungeon.

Everyone is happy as Vets get their quick run, newbies get to watch cutscenes. Both get an extra 100 mythology.

Its a win win situation. Everytime I've done this, everyone's been happy and I walk away with 3-6 commendations.

This is actually how it goes with most of the Main Scenario Roulettes I do. We go forward, the new people get to watch the cutscenes, and everybody is happy. Just be sure to also explain the important things about the bosses (such as Ultima phase 1's AoEs, and Ultima phase 2's pulsing AoE) so they know what to avoid. I've seen some new people be sadly oblivious to the AoE unless they're mentioned, that DPS/healer vision we sometimes get if we're too focused on our job.

[Mholito]

That's easy and I've suggested it multiple times in this thread and others.

We compromise.

Vets lets Newbies watch cutscenes.
Newbies let Vets play through the dungeon.

Everyone is happy as Vets get their quick run, newbies get to watch cutscenes. Both get an extra 100 mythology.

Its a win win situation. Everytime I've done this, everyone's been happy and I walk away with 3-6 commendations.

That is no different from watching the cutscenes at the inn later. You're still missing out on the context. I'm starting to believe that the only way to let new players enjoy the story would be to either force them to make their own party, and remove the Main Scenario roulette, or to "encourage" the veterans to slow down a bit.

[Alukah]

That is no different from watching the cutscenes at the inn later. You're still missing out on the context. I'm starting to believe that the only way to let new players enjoy the story would be to either force them to make their own party, and remove the Main Scenario roulette, or to "encourage" the veterans to slow down a bit.

Or turn it into a solo instance and tone down the trash mobs parts, in the end the lore always considers "you" (the player) as the single champion of eorzea.

[NyarukoW]

Or turn it into a solo instance ...

This is an MMO, solo content just doesn't make sense. Why is it so hard for people to not speed run?

It is easy to be nice to help the 1st-timers and it is fun too. Let them watch cutscenes and include them in the boss fights. This is not rocket science, it doesn't cost anything to do. Quite worrying about myth per minute. Worry more about if everyone is having fun and having a good time.

[Alukah]

This is an MMO, solo content just doesn't make sense. Why is it so hard for people to not speed run?

It is easy to be nice to help the 1st-timers and it is fun too. Let them watch cutscenes and include them in the boss fights. This is not rocket science, it doesn't cost anything to do. Quite worrying about myth per minute. Worry more about if everyone is having fun and having a good time.

Don't pretend this is a perfect world, no matter how much you try you can't enforce your views on others, people won't have a change of heart just because you asked them to.

People will speed run whether you like it or not, so if you have any solution that doesn't involve removing the roulette or forcing people to watch cutscenes (as they would break the system) feel free to point it out.

[Granyala]

This is an MMO, solo content just doesn't make sense. Why is it so hard for people to not speed run?

Because the content is boring and easy. Speedrunning either spices content up or makes us get over with it faster. (or it makes you wipe if the group can't handle it)

Had a tank today in Dzemael that pulled ALL the trash up to the first boss AT ONCE. It was awesome, because I needed everything I got as a healer to keep up.
He kept that pace and it just rocked.
Usually I sleep through the 30-45 min dungeon. Today it was 16 minutes of adrenaline.

[gamesmart]

Had a tank today in Dzemael that pulled ALL the trash up to the first boss AT ONCE. It was awesome, because I needed everything I got as a healer to keep up.

I take it you aren't familiar with DD first room xp farms? That's how the first pull is always done (in those parties at least) thanks to those stupidly powerful Crystal Veil buffs.

On topic: I'm of the mind to wait with the newbies in a Castrum or Praetorium run - especially Prae, it's so easy to get lost in there the first time through - and people usually wait with or just plow through trash, either works. The main thing: let your party know what your intentions are so that they can go with you or voice their own opinion. When nobody speaks it usually ends up being all the veterans plowing through everything while the newbie gets stuck in cutscene after cutscene, but when someone does say something - whether it be a newbie or even a veteran speaking on behalf of the newbie like I sometimes do - people are usually more accommodating and are more likely to wait with. Then there's occasionally that person who's all "mememegottagofast," but there's really nothing we can do about those kinds of people.

As for those people who say "you'll feel the same after a hundred runs" - I don't feel that way, even though I'm over twice the recommended iLvl for the place (if there is one), I still enjoy the instance, especially Praetorium (love the music). Though I guess I'm probably an exception.