"To Improve PvP game balance, the ability Cleric Stance will no longer be usable"

[Awdogsgo2heaven]

I may not come back after this... They ruined what was the most interesting class for me. They keep everything so dumbed down and simplified it's boring. I can only hope Ninja will bring me renewed interest but I doubt it at this point.

[Divinemight]

I may not come back after this... They ruined what was the most interesting class for me. They keep everything so dumbed down and simplified it's boring. I can only hope Ninja will bring me renewed interest but I doubt it at this point.

Let you swap between dps and healer with one bottom without any form of trade off or penalty is actually a dumb down mechanic that they took away. You still can play Scholar as dps with correct attribute and gear setup, but since you made yourself sound like an opportunist, don't really matter you are coming back or not. WoW is probably better for you, no offence, they usually got one imbalance spec per patch.

[Gor]

Let you swap between dps and healer with one bottom without any form of trade off or penalty is actually a dumb down mechanic that they took away.

untrue and you're over-exaggerating just because you are so hard-boiled on hating on healers. there are penalties and trade offs for swapping to dps from heals. just because they are trade-offs or penalties you may not like, doesn't mean they don't exist. the trade offs/penalties for swapping to dps from heals are as we have repeated to you and everyone time and time again are:

1. when swapping to dps, the healer cannot swap back to heals for 5 seconds which leaves you time to get smashed because you won't be able to heal for crap
2. when healing in Cleric, there is a 20% healing reduction, so instead of healing for 500-800, you are now healing for only 200-300 which isn't enough to sustain you or anyone else

there is a price to pay to dps and every healer has had a time they paid that price to dps over healing, with their death

[Divinemight]

Opinion

Get it over with Gor, you need to stop those pointless accuse when you don't even have evidence to back yourself.

1 Started as WHM in FF11, check
2. Have RDM in FF11, check
3. Played Holy Paladin in WoW TBC, check

Don't throw those none sense at me. I am pretty much sitting on Warrior while gearing BLM for the Frontline, but I am keep saying Warrior need a self healing to be tune down . Does that makes me a Warrior hater now?

Don't through me with that can't kill healer crap. You are not the only one know how to PvP here. I know how to setup fatal blow on any job I have played. Not to mention, Wrrior is closed to be best all around job in which I find it is unreasonable.

Your doomsday theory about no one will play healer is proven wrong, only the number of players who played as dps went down. This is not first time I am hearing nerf made a class/ job unplayable and it is never a truth.

Did I ever said anything about total removals of this action? I didn't . Evidences of what I have said are in two threads that everyone are free to look it up. I only said Clearic Stance need to be adjust with a penalty such as 80% healing reduction for the game balance purpose.

Cleric stance It is a dumb down mechanic for PvE purpose because a lot of quests in this game are designed for soloing. If you want to drag Paladin into the mud, sword oath is for that purpose too.

1. when swapping to dps, the healer cannot swap back to heals for 5 seconds which leaves you time to get smashed because you won't be able to heal for crap

Perfectly aware of, I am leveling a white Mage too. The fact is White Mage has fluid aura, duration is long enough to cover that period of time on top of WHM always keep regen.

Scholar has eos at 500 per 3s with sprint running around eos. Unless you have issue with pet control.

2. when healing in Cleric, there is a 20% healing reduction, so instead of healing for 500-800, you are now healing for only 200-300 which isn't enough to sustain you or anyone else

First of all, I want penalty goes to 80%, it is SE decided to remove it. Secondly, the people that turned on Cleric Stance has no intend to be healer. They are doing dps. They want to keep this stance that can dps and heal at same time ?

Ask you one last time, why do you need Cleric Stance to play as healer? I don't take to protect yourself in 1 v 1, no job should be All around.

[Gor]

random outburst

what a said was not a opinion, its a fact that those are the 2 penalties for healers who switch to cleric

Secondly, the people that turned on Cleric Stance has no intend to be healer. They are doing dps.

the healer who do this are the extreme minority. on our data center i have only seen a few healers who did this on a regular basis out of the dozens of healers we have.

why do you need Cleric Stance to play as healer? I don't take to protect yourself in 1 v 1, no job should be All around.

because it gives a small alternative to healing and it makes the class more fun so healers don't have to just stand around and just heal. to have a defense because SCHs don't have any other than bubbles and eos heals provided she doesn't get cc'd or killed. being able to 1v1 does not make a class all-round. the damage output is not as high as a dps and really once SCHS have no Aetherflow stacks ofr Energy Drain left, the damage is very low and weak. and in a group setting, healer dps is irrelevant other than being able to miasma-up everything. just as you said, i would agree to cleric being toned down as well, but i don't agree with it being 100% being taken out.

[Divinemight]

What a said was not a opinion, its a fact that those are the 2 penalties for healers who switch to cleric.

I heard you, but 20% is enough for PvE, but it is not enough for PvP when a job originally designed for 8 men party scale of the damage. This is main reason why I suggest this healing reduction need to be raise to 80%.

When a job actions are originally designed for PvE 8 men scale, they need different set of value to be used in PvP. After all, SE didn't have PvP in their mind during the initial planning for each job.

Takes Defiance for example, I barely feel 20% damage penalty is there because Wraith mechanic do provide bail out cards.

the healer who do this are the extreme minority. on our data center i have only seen a few healers who did this on a regular basis out of the dozens of healers we have.

This is not about who is right or who is wrong. Every one has different online gaming experience. Their number has caused issue on JP servers. While the situation is not as overwhelming on NA servers, but they do have a good percentage.

The game does not balance around few extraordinary players. Extraordinary players are minority. The game always balanced at broad, this is the common practice for all mmorpg games. There is no need to crucify SE for using the same practice.

Also, gaming company is paying attention to job distribution. When a certain job is over populated and a certain job is disappearing on the PvP. This is a signal to the development, something is wrong, and they need to take action to fix it. Like it or not, JP PvP community is bigger, and issue of healers infesting the Frontline emerged. Other job are disappearing, if my source is accurate, JP Paladins has been wiped out because they can only function as mediocre dps.

because it gives a small alternative to healing and it makes the class more fun so healers don't have to just stand around and just heal. to have a defense because SCHs don't have any other than bubbles and eos heals provided she doesn't get cc'd or killed. being able to 1v1 does not make a class all-round. the damage output is not as high as a dps and really once SCHS have no Aetherflow stacks ofr Energy Drain left, the damage is very low and weak. and in a group setting, healer dps is irrelevant other than being able to miasma-up everything. just as you said, i would agree to cleric being toned down as well, but i don't agree with it being 100% being taken out.

Like I have said many times, it is fine for players to play WHM and SCH. I am planning to play WHM as a dps myself. This is why I want to go through BLM first in order to get used to the pressure.

Cleric stance on other hand is too good to be true as a PvE based action. It need to be tune down to be fit into PvP environment. Me too, was shocked by SE of remove it. Yet, even when it is disabled, you still can do the same with correct attribute and accessories. You only lost the advantage to be sitting on vit accessories that is all.

[Gor]

Their number has caused issue on JP servers. While the situation is not as overwhelming on NA servers, but they do have a good percentage.

The game does not balance around few extraordinary players. Extraordinary players are minority.

which is a shame because the NA servers feel more like SE's neglected stepchild and the game quality has gone down for many players considerably because of a few bad apples in JP. i know more than a dozen people who have quit this game and my ls and friendlist is getting shorter and shorter by the month as i no longer are seeing what used to be full time players, that now have not logged on for weeks or even months.

The game always balanced at broad, this is the common practice for all mmorpg games. There is no need to crucify SE for using the same practice.

i'm not crucifying SE for using the same practice. i'm crucifying SE for choosing the most boring, un-innovative and un-creative ways of dealing with pvp issues, which seems to be when in doubt, take it out.
this game could be so much more but SE rather streamline everything and hold us back by spending their time policing players' playstyles rather than just letting the pvp community evolve so it can move up to a higher level of play. the way SE is doing it, pvp is going to be stuck at the same rudimentary and elementary environment for months or even forever. players will never be able to do anything different from the basic abilities their class is expected to do, which is boring and uninteresting and i'm not jus referring to SCH, i'm referring to all classes. it will only hold player interest for so long. that's prolly why they're coming out with 8v8v8 because they know they can't fully police a 72 and 48 man efficiently without people crying a river about something.

right now FL is jus running on the fumes of still being new but after its been out for a while, it'll prolly just turn into another ghost town like WD if JP doesn't come up with something to strike player interest and censoring and butchering classes ain't the way to do it.